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01-13-2014 09:56 PM
whitebassfisher
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Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
Average pet owners should keep their males and females from reproducing, the anti- sterilize stuff is baffling.
Fixed it for you!
01-13-2014 05:36 PM
wolfy dog
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Originally Posted by SummerGSDLover View Post
I'm kind of wondering the same thing for a male. A vasectomy versus a neuter. Following this post.

*-*Summer*-*
Not all vets are willing to do this. I had a male from a shelter and there was a neuter contract but they "allowed" a vasectomy. Very fast recovery. The two incisions were in the lower abdomen.

If I get a female it will be a partial spay, leaving the ovaries and the awesome hormones intact.

In Europe you can give the dog a shot every 6 months to prevent a heat cycle, mainly for breeders who skip a heat. But it seems to encourage mammary cancer and pyometra.
01-13-2014 04:43 PM
LoveEcho
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Originally Posted by Freestep View Post
I understand why some people don't want to spay/neuter. There are good reasons not to, but if you choose to keep your dog intact, you have to be knowledgeable and responsible enough to prevent your females from getting pregnant.

The average pet owner who doesn't want to spay/neuter believes old wives' tales like "it'll change his personality" or "having a litter makes a female calm down" or "dogs have the right to reproduce".
This. Of all of my friends and family (i.e. not fellow crazy dog people), all intact males are intact because "I don't want to take away his manhood." I don't really know anyone outside of crazy-dog-people who has intact females, because that's just not something most people want to deal with.


The only people I know who left their dogs intact for health (or drive) reasons are people who train seriously in some sort of venue...mostly protection sports, but I've seen it in friends who compete in agility and flyball seriously as well.

There are people on this forum who are "pet only" people (i.e. don't actively train for a particular sport), but I'm going to go out on a limb and say anyone who posts on a breed forum is in the "crazy dog person" category

I would consider a hysterectomy-only spay on my female if she ends up being like a friend's dog, who bleeds heavily during heat cycles.
01-13-2014 04:25 PM
Freestep I understand why some people don't want to spay/neuter. There are good reasons not to, but if you choose to keep your dog intact, you have to be knowledgeable and responsible enough to prevent your females from getting pregnant.

The average pet owner who doesn't want to spay/neuter believes old wives' tales like "it'll change his personality" or "having a litter makes a female calm down" or "dogs have the right to reproduce".
01-13-2014 03:52 PM
my boy diesel
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Well... sort of. There is a "mismating" injection that can be given shortly after a bitch is accidentally bred, which prevents the eggs from implanting, but it is risky and has side effects. It's sort like the "morning after" pill for humans.

There are also (or used to be) Cheque and Ovaban, which stops heat. Again, risky due to side effects. I am not sure if they are even on the market anymore.

Because most of these pregnancy interventions deal with hormones, they are considered a last resort. Because they do have so many side effects, some breeders feel it is safest to simply let the bitch whelp an accidental litter, and give the puppies away.

IMO, the average pet owner isn't knowledgeable or responsible enough to keep an intact bitch from getting pregnant at some point, so surgery is the safest, surest option for most people's pet dogs. Before you jump down my throat for saying *you* personally are irresponsible, remember I am talking about the average pet owner who buys a puppy on a whim, doesn't know much if anything about dogs and canine reproduction, doesn't read dog-related message boards, or do anything with their dog. I see these people every day, so I know the average pet owner.

A while back I had an owner bring her pregnant Yorkie in for grooming. She "meant" to get her spayed, but didn't, and her intact male Shih Tzu got her pregnant, but she wasn't sure when it happened. While I was grooming this very pregnant Yorkie, I noticed she already had milk in her teats. I later found out she gave birth that evening.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is what happens when the average pet owner fails to spay/neuter.
average pet owners should spay/neuter, this anti- spay/neuter stuff is baffling
01-13-2014 03:45 PM
Freestep
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Originally Posted by robk View Post
This may be a dumb question, and not totally related to the topic, but are there birth control pills for dogs?
Well... sort of. There is a "mismating" injection that can be given shortly after a bitch is accidentally bred, which prevents the eggs from implanting, but it is risky and has side effects. It's sort like the "morning after" pill for humans.

There are also (or used to be) Cheque and Ovaban, which stops heat. Again, risky due to side effects. I am not sure if they are even on the market anymore.

Because most of these pregnancy interventions deal with hormones, they are considered a last resort. Because they do have so many side effects, some breeders feel it is safest to simply let the bitch whelp an accidental litter, and give the puppies away.

IMO, the average pet owner isn't knowledgeable or responsible enough to keep an intact bitch from getting pregnant at some point, so surgery is the safest, surest option for most people's pet dogs. Before you jump down my throat for saying *you* personally are irresponsible, remember I am talking about the average pet owner who buys a puppy on a whim, doesn't know much if anything about dogs and canine reproduction, doesn't read dog-related message boards, or do anything with their dog. I see these people every day, so I know the average pet owner.

A while back I had an owner bring her pregnant Yorkie in for grooming. She "meant" to get her spayed, but didn't, and her intact male Shih Tzu got her pregnant, but she wasn't sure when it happened. While I was grooming this very pregnant Yorkie, I noticed she already had milk in her teats. I later found out she gave birth that evening.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is what happens when the average pet owner fails to spay/neuter.
01-13-2014 03:25 PM
Waldi The key is to remember to wait with performing either till puppies have grown (they need hormones to grow healthybones). We are waiting with spaying till 1.5 years of age.
01-13-2014 01:56 PM
Bear L I am looking for a place that will perform tubal ligation on my female. At the bottom of this site I found, it lists several vets that perform this. Unfortunately I don't see one for Houston, where the OP is looking, but I'm posting it anyways in case it helps others.

Parsemus Foundation Ovary-Sparing Spay
01-13-2014 01:37 PM
SusiQ My Raven was spayed laparoscopically and only her ovaries were removed. The uterus then shrinks and becomes "dried up," so to speak. By removing the ovaries, the hormones that can cause mammary and ovarian cancers are eradicated. Removing the uterus and not the ovaries will prevent pregnancy but not the female cancers associated with estrogen.
01-13-2014 12:15 PM
ladyb
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Originally Posted by SummerGSDLover View Post
Dogs have STDs?

*-*Summer*-*
Yes!


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