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01-12-2014 12:17 PM
carmspack I could see Journey IPO 1 Carmspack Sumo (brother to)
Laurel - over to you -
01-12-2014 11:31 AM
Liesje Yes, Alta-Tollhaus Bono is my dog (Nikon). I also like him better than the dam, but I'm slightly biased But I did like the dam when I met her, no red flags went up and I have to go a lot on instinct. Working abilities are important but for me, I can't see anything that gives me pause as far as having the dog in my home, around my family, little kids, and other dogs and I just got a good "vibe" from her when she came over for the breedings. Also I never know what to think about Zidane in a pedigree, seems everyone I ask either loves it or hates it. It is one of those litters where I was offered a puppy basically free (refunded the stud fee, which was very small anyway since this was a friend) so I decided to go ahead and see how he turns out. Like you say, I've been told many times the strength in my dog comes from his motherline and I agree, I purchased him because of his mother and was always impressed by her. I didn't always care for her looks but I love watching her train and would have handled her myself in a heartbeat. I've taken my male to a local herding instructor that everyone around here recommends and she tested him herself a few times (I know very little about herding, I let her handle the dog and see what she sees) and she was very impressed by him and his natural instinct with herding. I've never pursued it though because we do so many dog sports and the herding instructor always has a waiting list. There is no HGH around here and I am personally against sending my own dog away for training, I would miss him too much!

ETA: I was told by a few people I trust that my male would cross well with certain DDR female pedigrees. I had a breeding liked this planned but the timing has not worked out (yet). That is the litter I'd always planned to keep a puppy from and still hope to see. I want to maintain the size, possibly add a tad more bone, and also feel that some of the DDR lines would maintain the qualities I already like in the male. Not looking to do one of those "working = drive and show = conformation" crosses. If I don't like the temperament and conformation of BOTH dogs already, no thanks!
01-12-2014 10:53 AM
Lakl Gorgeous pup, Lies. Look forward to watching this one grow!
01-12-2014 10:18 AM
carmspack Bono is your dog , the one you would clone?

He has the show lines -- but very importantly his dam maintains a very strong mother line packed with very important herding genetics !
I would use this male with the right female , also deliberately "built" to conserve herding genetics.
you may be surprised by this , but I like the sire better than the dam -- but the combination looks best .
01-12-2014 10:08 AM
vom Eisenherz Well, I'm curious to see how he grows up, since I almost did a similar thing in breeding to Nikon. Depending on how my new pups turn out, this may be something to talk about in the future. Best of luck with him.
01-12-2014 10:00 AM
Liesje Black Ice from Winter Storm

I really am not sure what it "says". I wasn't planning to get a pup so I didn't think too much of it, probably would not have been THE female I would have chosen for my male but as far as I know the breeder got what she wanted. Since I know the breeder personally and she has seen my dog throughout the years plus has been in dogs probably longer than I've been alive, I deferred to her experience with the breed, both with WGSL and WL. I did start raising a male puppy for a friend that is a half brother to my puppy by way of the females being sisters from repeat litters and he was a very impressive puppy. My male is not as impressive as far as the level of dominance that puppy showed even at 8 weeks but that's not necessarily what I am looking for (that puppy eventually was sold to a working home, dual prospect K9). My male does show the same on/off switch that puppy had. Very neutral and settled at home, more like a pet dog, but also likes to work and train when called for. I told the breeder if I got one of the puppies, that was more important to me than drive. I need dogs that are clear in the head, settled at home, very "collected" mentally and sure of themselves but not necessarily pushy in a bully way or overly hectic with drive and energy. I do not need "extreme drive" to enjoy training and titling my dogs in a variety of venues, even medium to medium-high drive is fine since the breed in general possesses a willingness to work. I don't kennel my dogs and I don't always have hours to spend on training and exercise every day so it's important they can chill out one day but then run around for 12 hours the next day.
01-12-2014 09:44 AM
carmspack no I wouldn't hate it because the reasons for doing it were vastly different than throwing a show line together with a working line for the sake of golden middle -- . Have this scheme in my pedigrees , although I did not do them myself , I am the benefactor. Yeulett's Joan of Arc
"Yeuletts" like your friend has great intuitive sense about dogs -- and even though it is show , insists that the dog can work (which was a requirement of Olympus also - no concessions) , and can contribute a positive attribute to work - which could even be to enervate . This to my male , and then a son of that combination to my female - and you have Journey IPO 1 - high trialing , tracking fiend . Like your friend she has no web site -- has close to 40 years experience .
I would love to see a pedigree of your dog if that is at all possible.
01-12-2014 09:22 AM
wolfstraum super photos'! He has great expression and is a very very cute puppy!

01-12-2014 08:13 AM
Okie2 Perfect!!! Love the snow pictures.......You just know he is thinking..."Boy is this fun"
01-11-2014 04:43 PM
Liesje You'd probably hate it, he's a show/work cross The sire is my dog, whom I would clone if I could afford it. A breed-friend of mine bred her WL bitch to him. She's pretty old school, breeds a dog not a pedigree, doesn't use websites and social media to sell dogs, etc. Knowingly took a risk and likely having a lot of variation in the litter to get around a lot of genetic bottlenecking in both lines. I was not planning to get a puppy from this litter, but the other litter I was getting a puppy from has not worked out so I was talked into getting one. So far she said she's impressed with the litter, and she's coming from working Malinois (dogs even *I* won't touch!). She sent me two males to pick from, different but both very nice. I chose my Legend and Danielle on this forum has the other, "Patton".
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