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01-11-2014 09:50 AM
carmspack seems like the OP is long gone --
01-11-2014 09:45 AM
Jax08 I wish you hadn't! I love reading your posts!
01-11-2014 09:44 AM
G-burg I get it GSDluver!!

And I actually had a nice response written about corrections and fear aggressive dogs and how it's worked and deleted it!
01-10-2014 10:15 PM
GSDluver4lyfe
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I don't know if I believe that if a dog is corrected for aggression it will stop showing warning signs... Because to me, there will always be a warning or an indication, (it may not be growling) that some things about to happen... ie; body posture, in their eyes, their ears, hackles, lip licking, etc...
True, but if you don't know how to properly manage your dogs fear aggression and lack the experience how will they know what signs to look for. Growling for example is pretty forward way of saying im uncomfortable back up and people misinterpret that blatant sign so how can they interpret much more subtle cues. I agree, if you know your dog you can still see the warning signs but for someone who doesn't have a clue what to look for and observe they can't possibly see it. Making the dog essentially unpredictable because the owners can't see the very subtle clues without professional help or learning to interpret their behavior and that becomes a trial and error stage (without proper guidance) and that time can be dangerous. One slip up and the game could be over.
01-10-2014 02:09 PM
LouCastle
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I'd start breaking this habit like now. If you have a stubborn dog like I have that doesnt care at all how she's corrected it makes it worse.
I don't think that dogs are "stubborn." they just have a different agenda than we do.

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I use a 3 way correction collar. It has a beep mode. A vibration mode. And a shock mode. When I first got my baby I used vibration. But anymore she thinks that's a game. So I have it set to shock on the lowest setting. So it feels like just getting a simple static shock like we get. Use it right when you see the change in behavior.
Iím not a fan of using an Ecollar in this fashion for this problem. I've seen too many dogs that shut off the display of aggression, but still have the aggression be present, waiting for the right (meaning wrong) moment to come out.

I also think that the OP's puppy is too young for an Ecollar. I don't like to go younger than six months.


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I think e-collars have their place but I wouldn't use it on a scared dog.
I think that an Ecollar, if used properly is a great tool for fearful or fear aggressive dogs. I suggest using the Ecollar to teach the recall and the sit. Neither has anything to do directly with this issue but they work to stop the problem.

Here are two anecdotes about this. Http://www.loucastle.com/roma2

Simon
01-10-2014 01:55 PM
Blanketback I agree Dani, but this is a great place to start if you're concerned about behaviors and you want to modify them. Take OP - maybe the guests in the house are cornering her puppy, trying to force interactions that the puppy clearly doesn't want. Maybe the puppy was already showing signs that you'd know mean "leave me alone" but OP missed. So now it's moved forward to growling. That's a clear sign to most, lol. Maybe this thread will help OP realize her puppy needs distance from the guests. It's not so much about giving perfect answers to "fix aggression" as it is to help people understand what could be contributing to the unwanted behavior. Once again, JMO.
01-10-2014 01:44 PM
DaniFani
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Yeah, that's the full circle, lol. My air snapper was an adult when I got him, so who knows how much growling he did before he realized it got him nowhere. Same with your fosters. Who knows. But growling is a natural defense. It should mean, "Back off" and then what happens after that is up to the dog: fight or flight. Again, that's JMO.

ETA: Dani, there is no way to say exactly what to do, lol. It depends on the dog, and what's going on. Is it someone shoving unwanted petting? Easy fix, tell them to stop.
Oh...I didn't mean to come off as picking on you. Just that that's kind of the point, on the internet there really isn't a way to tell someone how to handle these kinds of behaviors. It's really dependent on the dog, and you can't get a full picture of the dog unless you are there in real life, and have the experience/knowledge to not only know what you're looking at, but what to do about it.

To me, this is a great place to get advice like, "how can I shape this behavior, how can I teach this new thing, anyone else going through this health issue?" Etc...to me it isn't the place to try and fix aggression.
01-10-2014 01:31 PM
Blanketback Yeah, that's the full circle, lol. My air snapper was an adult when I got him, so who knows how much growling he did before he realized it got him nowhere. Same with your fosters. Who knows. But growling is a natural defense. It should mean, "Back off" and then what happens after that is up to the dog: fight or flight. Again, that's JMO.

ETA: Dani, there is no way to say exactly what to do, lol. It depends on the dog, and what's going on. Is it someone shoving unwanted petting? Easy fix, tell them to stop.
01-10-2014 01:27 PM
DaniFani
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I mostly do redirect the growling, but that doesn't mean I find it acceptable. It means that I'm acknowledging it, that's all. It totally depends on what prompted the growl. If it's guarding behavior, I redirect the dog to its crate. If it's territorial growling, I redirect to focusing on me. If it's something else, I look at what's going on with the dog. If the dog is fearful, I remove the threat to the dog - and then I know there's some weakness there, that needs to be worked on. That's JMO.
You still haven't said WHAT to do though. You re-direct, etc....but that doesn't fix the problem, just takes their mind off the current issue.

I really am in no place to offer advice in correcting/fixing true aggressive behavior...and I just don't think the internet is the best place for advice on this subject. There are so many factors and behaviors that can be easily missed by an owner, that only a good behaviorist/trainer could see in person....then get to know everything else about the dog, and make decisions from there on a plan moving forward. I always think it's so funny when people make 100% absolute observations on anything on the internet. I especially love the "is he purebred" threads....and all these people saying, "oh yeah..def shepherd." There is NO WAY to know that without pedigrees and parents. Yet, people are so certain based on a couple pics on the internet...same if someone says, "my pup was scared of fill in the blank." All of a sudden the dog is a nervy mess, will be a mess to manage, and the owner is going to have a 1000 problems.

I also like the, "a show line does not and will never have the nerves to protect." I love this because there is a guy around here who's dog bit a man he was in a physical altercation with, perfect SchH protection arm bite....just makes me smile, because I guarantee if he had talked about the dog during training most would think/say "oh that showline would never protect....it's a showline." Or "SchH is a sport....none of those dogs could/would actually protect in real life."

Anyhow, I'm just as guilty of this as most people around here....just starting to think that all these absolutes based on one or two sentences are pretty confident for a quick story or pic on the internet.
01-10-2014 01:24 PM
G-burg I guess another thing is.... not every dog is going to growl as a warning.. Have had several fosters like that.. so you do have to learn how to read body language, etc..
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