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01-12-2014 03:52 PM
lafalce
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
Not sure the point of this as no squirrel was involved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=qAb3xgt-KOQ
I totally agree.

I guess it does prove that the kid can stand winter weather without a shirt on!!!!!
01-11-2014 04:10 PM
Wolfenstein
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
We usually put a prong on the dog without a line attached for a few sessions before we hook up a line. The dog does get use to the feel of it(usually around 6 months of age, depending on the dog) Some dogs don't care what is on them, I've really never seen a dog that is afraid of a prong collar, ecollar or shows avoidance because they are wearing one. The collar usually isn't the problem, but how it is used. Hope that answers your question.
YES!!! This is exactly what I was talking about, thank you so much. Not really concerned about avoidance or anything because a dog that sensitive wouldn't need a prong, anyway, but just with the dog becoming collar wise.

That video is HILARIOUS by the way!! Haha!
01-11-2014 01:06 PM
onyx'girl Not sure the point of this as no squirrel was involved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=qAb3xgt-KOQ
01-11-2014 12:30 PM
jocoyn A teammate has raised seeing eye dogs for about 15 years before she came to our team about 9 years ago. She is very well versed in motivational only methods. Her last dog was strictly trained that way and she helps teammates obedience train their dogs and troubleshoot issues...certainly as much as you can train motivationally is a good thing. We have need for obedient dogs but not precision obedience. It is mainly solid obedience control, offlead, under distraction.

I saw her last weekend with her new dog, an 8 month old. Despite the fact that she never saw the need for a prong with other dogs she adapted her training because this dog really needed one.
01-11-2014 11:50 AM
lhczth I tend to put the collars on as part of their training equipment. I have never "conditioned" a dog to a collar by having them wear it for a few days so they are used to it being there. I do introduce the e-collar to the dogs I will use it on so they understand how it works and how to shut off the stim, but they don't wear it for days before I start their intro.
01-11-2014 09:48 AM
onyx'girl
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AGAIN, since this seems to be getting missed! I am NOT saying there is anything wrong with prongs, and I'm not trying to ignore someone's advice! I was just wondering if it was something necessary to get the dog accustomed to from the very start!
We usually put a prong on the dog without a line attached for a few sessions before we hook up a line. The dog does get use to the feel of it(usually around 6 months of age, depending on the dog) Some dogs don't care what is on them, I've really never seen a dog that is afraid of a prong collar, ecollar or shows avoidance because they are wearing one. The collar usually isn't the problem, but how it is used. Hope that answers your question.
01-11-2014 08:20 AM
David Winners Do you do focused heeling? Are your dogs high drive or aggressive? Do you do bite work? Have you had to fix a sticky out or dirty biter?

David Winners
01-11-2014 07:44 AM
doggiedad i've never used a prong for training, corrections,
walking, etc. and my dogs are well trained.
01-11-2014 06:59 AM
Wolfenstein Ok, seems like I need to clear a couple things up again!

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This x1000

If you are committed to the sport, then accept that there will be people in the club who have done it for a long time and have been very successful with their dogs, and there are very good reasons why they suggest certain training methods or tools. You may have an aversion to it now but will probably be pleasantly surprised. It doesn't mean you have to do everything they say without question, but it's better to try to understand what they are doing and why than come at it from the point of view that you already don't want to do it that way. Don't underestimate yourself or your dog either.
Just want to mention in case it wasn't clear, none of the trainers I've been talking to are the ones who said to put a prong on the puppy right away. I'm TOTALLY not getting advice from someone, crossing my arms in a huff, and going elsewhere to have my point of view justified! haha All this thread was supposed to be was SERIOUSLY just clearing up something I was confused about. You've all done a really great job clearing things up for me, and I'm grateful for that! YOU guys are the experts, that's why I'm coming here for advice!

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Originally Posted by schh3fh2 View Post
In my opinion, there is no reason to assume you will need a prong right out of the gate...HOWEVER.... This very much depends on the dog, your relationship with the dog and more importantly THE DOG.... A "tap on the shoulder" will not work with most high drive, strong dogs doing protection work.
Frank
Now, I TOTALLY know I didn't make this one clear. What I meant by "tap on the shoulder" is whatever happens to be able to break the dog's concentration momentarily to get the focus back on the task at hand. Some dogs it's a verbal command, some dogs it's a light tug on a flat collar, other dogs it's a prong! I REALLY understand that dogs have varying degrees of what they can handle, and what you need to get their attention. What would completely wreck one dog would go practically unnoticed in another.


AGAIN, since this seems to be getting missed! I am NOT saying there is anything wrong with prongs, and I'm not trying to ignore someone's advice! I was just wondering if it was something necessary to get the dog accustomed to from the very start!
01-08-2014 12:03 PM
schh3fh2
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I have no problems giving a dog a "tap on the shoulder" if it needs to remember it should be listening, but I don't want to start out the gate thinking a prong is an inevitability. I'd much rather just cross that bridge when I come to it.

In my opinion, there is no reason to assume you will need a prong right out of the gate...HOWEVER.... This very much depends on the dog, your relationship with the dog and more importantly THE DOG.... A "tap on the shoulder" will not work with most high drive, strong dogs doing protection work. And at that point I would remind you that you are training a dog to bite and you have a responsibility to have the dog under control. A good helper will be teaching the dog to bite full and hard and it is your resonsibility to be able to control the dog and teach him when it is ok to bite and more importantly to not bite. A prong/E-collar or any corrective collar is a tool and they are options to train your dog and wether or not you will need them is something you will know by the time the dog is 6-9 months.....I had one person in my club that refused to use a corrective collar on her dog, the dog was completely out of control, so I refused to teach the dog to bite. (too bad it was a really good dog too)


Frank
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