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01-09-2014 01:42 PM
mcdanfam Great cool. It amazes me how much they love to work.

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01-07-2014 09:30 PM
Liesje Exactly, that's why I track the way I do, it has worked for those before me and I don't particularly enjoy it so I'll just do what they tell me. I'm considering going to a club that has Rott people once Legend is ready to start training, it will be interesting to see if/how things differ.
01-07-2014 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Packen View Post
There are many ways to skin a cat, go with what you have real support (meaning no web stuff). I am sure the people helping you have high goals as end result, not the SCHH1 club.
Lol, my TD and decoy/TD would clock me if I came to training with suggestions I read on ANY forum lol. I just like reading about other people's methods and why, especially when the weather sucks and everyone is in hibernation.

I have yet to see my TD and Decoy come across a dog/problem they couldn't fix (TD occasionally rehabs and places extreme aggression rescue dogs). I would never question someone with their track record and success record (both in training handler/dog teams and their own dogs). My decoy/TD was on the world teams 2 or 3 times. I don't feel I can question him much, if at all, until I have comparable success(one can dream, right!?), lol!
01-06-2014 10:48 PM
Packen There are many ways to skin a cat, go with what you have real support (meaning no web stuff). I am sure the people helping you have high goals as end result, not the SCHH1 club.
01-06-2014 09:30 PM
DaniFani Oops, I was wrong, apparently THIS is michigan! Crazy!
01-06-2014 07:07 PM
DaniFani Cool! Thanks for explaining it. I love hearing other's methods in any training. Yo's first track (I had only had him a week, so he was just over 10 weeks) he was way more distracted for the first couple of steps (people and dogs were walking the trails to the left of us and he REALLY wanted to go say hi). About half way it clicked, "oh, we're working and I get treats." He's generally, so far, pretty aloof already. He'll go to say "hi" to someone, but it's very short lived how long he wants to stay there. He doesn't strain away, just more gets bored and wanders away lol.

I agree, it's much easier to work with a dog that doesn't get easily distracted. We have a couple of those at the club. They also have to use pressure to get them to work. Not a lot, it's not like they are beating the dog down the track, but more pressure than most.

I heard it's pretty insane weather-wise, there right now. My friend in GR said GVSU is closed for a second day in a row!! Insane!! I did half my undergrad there and never got to see a snow day, and some of those walks to the bus stop were like crossing the arctic tundra!! Brrrr, have you seen this pic of michigan from space?? Pretty much sums up how my family makes it sound lol!
01-06-2014 05:40 PM
Liesje I start puppies on scent pads that are about 3'x3'. Not sure if that's considered "large". I bait with food and usually pull the dog off before the food is gone, or as he's finishing. I don't want the dog to find all the food, then keep sniffing around and get bored or lose focus on his purpose. My understanding is that the scent pad makes a correlation to the dog that human scent + crushed vegetation (I don't track in dirt) = reward.

Now, I've only started three dogs total in tracking and still know very little about it so I'm just speaking anecdotally about my personal experiences using scent pads...

Dog 1...scent pads were good for Nikon, I did them for about 2 weeks, then progressed to tracks and over time, lengthened the track while making the food more random. About the time he learned articles off the track, he started skipping food on the track but was still tracking correctly (focused, methodical, deep nose) so I stopped baiting tracks and instead used articles as places to reward. An article to Nikon = a handful of some treat. He learned that articles are awesome spots, he was not forced tracked or had pressure on articles, so I will place an article after a challenging corner or leg of a track in order to let him get a reward from me and sort of re-group mentally.

Dog 2...I decided to play around with tracking with my bitch Kenya who at the time was about 7 years old and had never done tracking but had the pedigree for it. She is so far the best natural tracker (SchH style) I've owned. I didn't really do scent pads, just started with easy tracks. Granted she was also a mature adult and I had titled her in several other venues, so she understood focus and work. I think scent pads are usually more valuable for baby puppies just learning to focus on *anything* for more than 2 seconds at a time, lol!

Dog 3...Pan. Again used the 3'x3' scent pad with mixed success. Pan was difficult for me to track. He had food and hunt drive but was such a scatterbrain and also a very social young dog, so seeing kids playing soccer in the distance or a dry leaf blowing across his scent pad would quickly distract him. I "put him up" for tracking for a while, then did maybe half a dozen tracks with him total from age 12-24 months before he changed handlers. Some of the tracks were awesome, some were OK (when he tracked, he tracked well, but again could get distracted). Now I think he has two V scores in tracking but was proofed with pressure. Not against that just don't have experience with it myself. I tend to do better with dogs that have higher threshold type temperaments that can focus and work methodically without being distracted or starting to show an excess of drive.

Legend will be started with scent pads (I always try it) but not until the 4' of snow melts!
01-06-2014 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
Haha no problem I don't mind the long explanation. I'm curious how others track, especially starting a puppy.
Did I describe the large scent pad and it's purpose correctly? What is the step after that?
01-06-2014 09:39 AM
Liesje Haha no problem I don't mind the long explanation. I'm curious how others track, especially starting a puppy.
01-06-2014 05:45 AM
G-burg Can't wait to see his tracking in a couple of months...

There's a few in my club who love to track..
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