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01-09-2014 09:23 AM
countryboy73703 Thanks moms,
She is correct, and there are plenty of basic guide lines to go off, that INCLUDE veggies. I know that they are not needed, but if I can get something that's good for them, then I have no prob adding it to the mix. This batch is getting close to being gone, when I make the next one I'll be sure to get rid of the broccoli. But I would still like to add something else, if leafy is good then i can use lettuce.

Also, I knew about grapes and raisins, but thanks.

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01-09-2014 08:43 AM
Momto2GSDs I think if you put 10 Raw Feeder’s in a room, they’d all have a different recipe for what THEY think is the correct way of feeding! Some also believe in adding vitamins/minerals, but some not......some believe in adding digestive enzymes/probiotics.....some not.

20 years ago when their wasn’t much info about raw feeding, and our first GSD was dying, I made up my own recipe blending Pat McKay’s diet (adding vegetables and fruit) along with Kymythy Smith’s diet (adding raw meaty bones). I’ve been feeding that way ever since!

I agree that there is no need in a dogs’ diet for potatoes or grains, but a small percentage of the correct, fresh, pureed vegetables (some veg needs to be blanched or cooked) can’t hurt and can actually help as they contain important nutrients.

Below are statements for advocates of adding a small portions of vegetables to the dogs’ diet. And I think that is probably where where the OP is coming from and gathered info that made sense to HIM.

Dogs have actually eaten vegetables the whole period of their evolution, and that's a long time! As such, vegetables, particularly green leafy vegetables should form part of the domestic dog's healthy diet. Dogs need vegetables because they contain many important health promoting nutrients. The fiber your dog obtains from raw vegetables includes both soluble and insoluble fiber. Vegetables supply many other nutrients. Ian Billinghurst BARF Diet Specifics - Bones, Meat, Offal, Vegetables, Fruits & Other Nutrition Food Products for Pet

Feeding vegetables, fruits, and grains is optional, as dogs do not require carbohydrates in their diet. Even though these foods would make up a tiny percentage of the natural diet, they provide some nutritional value, especially trace minerals and phytonutrients from leafy green vegetables. Mary Straus Articles: Homemade Raw Diets for Dogs

Dr. Knueven endorses a raw diet for dogs: raw meat, bones, fruits, vegetables and organ meats. Author of The Holistic Pet Guide and “Stand By Me: A Holistic Handbook For Animal, Their People, and The Lives They Share Together”

Dr. Pitcarin: “Vegetables are valuable for adding vitamins, minerals and roughage to the diet”. Book: Dr. Pitcarin’s New Complete Guide To Natural Health For Dogs & Cats.

Dr. Karen Becker: “Extra fiber from veggies helps out the intestinal function of our sedentary pets and the high antioxidant levels found in vegetables and fruits are beneficial for detoxification processes, rebuilding and healing. Fruits and vegetables provide additional antioxidants to help the body deal with the inevitable toxins our pets encounter”. Book: Real Food For Healthy Dogs & Cats

Steve Brown: “We believe one of the reasons proper raw diets with vegetables and fruits often correct many different health problems with dog’s is that the dog evolved to use natural forms of vitamins, minerals and other micronutrients.” Books: Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet, See Spot Live Longer.

01-09-2014 01:52 AM
carmspack recovered from a previous thread "

I have it right here -- just an excerpt from this article ---

"although some experts and book authors think broccoli is good for pets, the
isothiocyanate it contains can kill livestock and cause gastrointestinal irritation and goitres in smaller animals, such as dogs. In small amounts broccoli's serious side effects are unpredictable and difficult to catch . But when this crucifer exceeds 25% of the diet , it is clearly fatal .
Sources for this information include US Veterinary USVMA , ASPCA, Humane Societies , and a list of 8 links .

This interferes with the thryroid
01-09-2014 01:46 AM
carmspack both the CVMA and AMVA had broccoli on a list of toxic foods.
There is a liver enzyme which is inhibited which causes damage like cirrhosis --
You do know about grapes and raisins ? and xylitol ?

the dog can benefit from soft fruit , and leafy greens -- run a romaine lettuce and an English cucumber through your blender -- dandelion leaf, nettles, barley grass , wheat grass -- greens through leafy greens not cruciferous vegetables .
01-08-2014 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by countryboy73703 View Post
I know that they don't ' need ' them... But what can they hurt? As long as it's the right ones?
Potatoes have carbohydrates and starch, which can ferment in the gut, so yes, if your dog is having digestive problems potatoes can hurt.

Less is more when it comes to feeding dogs. I have found that the more bells and whistles I add, the worse off he is. Keeping it simple has made a big difference. If you want to add something that is truly good for them, research Olewo.
01-08-2014 10:56 PM
Saphire Kibble has alot of things that are not good for corn.

There are some that believe our dogs need veggies and fruit, I am not one of them. All I was getting at, was you don't have to stress about replacing anything with potato.

My dog has never had them and he has been raw fed right from weaning.

As for supplements, I use Feedsentials, Shemp oil and Sundae Sunday.
01-08-2014 10:13 PM
countryboy73703 They make kibble with sweet potato. Granted kibble isn't anything to talk too highly about, but I'm just saying. Regardless we are getting off topic, the thread was regarding probiotics.
01-08-2014 10:12 PM
countryboy73703 I know that they don't ' need ' them... But what can they hurt? As long as it's the right ones?
01-08-2014 10:08 PM
Saphire Dogs don't need veggies and fruits so there is no need to replace with potato.
01-08-2014 07:53 PM
countryboy73703 Well I've never seen that broccoli was bad for dogs, I have seen that spinach and onion were though. I'll be sure to remove it from the diet and add potato, or something else instead

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