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02-08-2014 10:17 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
I see it as likely, especially since the behavior stopping coincided with the end of the heat cycle.

David Winners
No I was not talking about anything you said in a past thread??? I was referencing this thread and the growling and child cornering?

That's specifically what I meant by "higher threshold for unacceptable behaviour," Sounds like the issue is solved, so it's all good! But for me my dogs "don't growl or threaten me or family members, action is required!

I think we all agree a dogs growl means something?? Our job is to figure out what it means and take appropriate action.
02-08-2014 10:08 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
I see it as likely, especially since the behavior stopping coincided with the end of the heat cycle.

David Winners
No I was not talking about anything you said in this post or certainly not in a past post??? I was referencing this post and the growling and child cornering.

That's specifically what I meant by "higher threshold for unacceptable behaviour," Sounds like the issue is solved, so it's all good!

I think we all agree a dogs growl means something?? Our job is to figure out what it means and take appropriate action.
02-08-2014 08:38 PM
David Winners I see it as likely, especially since the behavior stopping coincided with the end of the heat cycle.

David Winners
02-08-2014 07:54 PM
selzer The dog has been good for six weeks.

I think it just might be possible that this young male, living unrestricted with a maiden bitch in heat , just may have had his hormones out of wack, and was a bit full of himself. Some dogs after breeding do have a bit of a change in their character, and some dogs will act different when there is a bitch in heat close by. Non-orchestrated breeding calls for more on the part of the boy.

Bitch goes out of heat, everything calms down, the boy got back to his normal state. She is going to fix the dog and the bitch, and hopefully the scene will not repeat itself.

I think some situations will tweak the responses of our pets. I mean, if your dog is sensitive of fireworks, and there have been fireworks going off for an hour and a half, and the dog has been in the corner shaking, and some two year old is over there spraying him with a water bottle or climbing on him, he might growl or snap. Without the fireworks that same dog might have been able to manage the water bottle or the mauling by the toddler. Think about that bitch in heat as three weeks of fireworks, and during the middle a couple of days of grand finale.

I don't see it as impossible.
02-08-2014 07:42 PM
David Winners
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You'll get no argument from me! We weren't there I don't think the OP was there?

I was merely stating how "I" deal/dealt with it in my case. The collar nor the muzzle ever came into play! But...it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!

Re-education was what I did. One unwarranted growl (in my opinion) was enough for me! My dog said "I got a problem here!" It was my job to figure out what the problem was and keep everyone safe while I did.

My Rocky, was sending me a message and I didn't need the whole book! before I took corrective action!

But as I say some people have a higher threshold for unacceptable behaviour than I do?
I was just pointing out the difference in training approaches for different situations. Not saying you did anything wrong at all. If it works and you have the relationship you are looking for with your dog, your training was successful.

I don't understand what your comment about higher threshold for acceptable behavior had to do with my post. I didn't state what I accept for behavior in my house. I would call my dogs well adjusted and respectful.

If you are referring to past posts of mine regarding my Cane Corso not being corrected for growling, I can accept that we have different approaches to communication with our dogs. I do not view growling, on its own, as aggression. He is allowed to growl if he is uncomfortable with a situation. Let's say the granddaughter is pestering him because she wants to play dress up and he wants a nap. He is allowed to say no, by growling, and she knows to leave him alone.

I'm sure many on here would disagree with that line of thinking, and I'm ok with that. I can read that dog and I know he isn't being aggressive or fearful in his protest. He's a vocal dog. I actually like that as my granddaughter has had the opportunity to learn a lot from being around Lucian. There is nothing subtle about him, and she has learned to observe the dog and tell what he's thinking.

He doesn't have to be stressed about the situation because he knows if he gives signals that he doesn't like something, we will pay attention and respect him.

DISCLAIMER: if you don't 100% understand why your dog is growling, you should seek the help of a professional. Misreading a dog can get people hurt badly.

Sorry for the hijack OP.

David Winners
02-08-2014 07:00 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
IMHO, the appropriate way to approach the situation depends on why the dog is growling. If it's being a pushy jerk and overstepping its boundaries, then a physical correction approach could be the right approach, and very successful.

If the dog is fearful, corrections could make the situation worse. In this case, building the dogs confidence and trust in the owner would be the best course of action.

David Winners
You'll get no argument from me! We weren't there I don't think the OP was there?

I was merely stating how "I" deal/dealt with it in my case. The collar nor the muzzle ever came into play! But...it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!

Re-education was what I did. One unwarranted growl (in my opinion) was enough for me! My dog said "I got a problem here!" It was my job to figure out what the problem was and keep everyone safe while I did.

My Rocky, was sending me a message and I didn't need the whole book! before I took corrective action!

But as I say some people have a higher threshold for unacceptable behaviour than I do?
02-08-2014 06:30 PM
David Winners
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I guess some folks have a much higher threshold for acceptable behaviour than me! My dog growls at me and/or corner a child!!??!! It's on, dominant dog collar,drag leash, muzzle and re-education time!

He doesn't bark at birds, the neighbors ,the neighbors dogs in their backyard or the neighbors in their backyard. I've only heard him growl twice and he meant business!

First time was when he was new, he growled at company! Muzzle time, re-education time! The second time was when he was defending me from two charging dogs, I tripped and fell while I was defending him he stepped in front of me to "deter" the one dog that kept coming!

I haven't heard him growl now in 6 years, if he growls it means some serious crap is going down!

But as I say some people have higher thresholds for acceptable behaviour.
IMHO, the appropriate way to approach the situation depends on why the dog is growling. If it's being a pushy jerk and overstepping its boundaries, then a physical correction approach could be the right approach, and very successful.

If the dog is fearful, corrections could make the situation worse. In this case, building the dogs confidence and trust in the owner would be the best course of action.

David Winners
02-08-2014 06:03 PM
Chip18 I guess some folks have a much higher threshold for acceptable behaviour than me! My dog growls at me and/or corner a child!!??!! It's on, dominant dog collar,drag leash, muzzle and re-education time!

He doesn't bark at birds, the neighbors ,the neighbors dogs in their backyard or the neighbors in their backyard. I've only heard him growl twice and he meant business!

First time was when he was new, he growled at company! Muzzle time, re-education time! The second time was when he was defending me from two charging dogs, I tripped and fell while I was defending him he stepped in front of me to "deter" the one dog that kept coming!

I haven't heard him growl now in 6 years, if he growls it means some serious crap is going down!

But as I say some people have higher thresholds for acceptable behaviour.
02-08-2014 05:24 PM
David Taggart Personally, I don't think you have any problem with your dog inside your family. It is typical for many young males to pretend that they are guarding you. He was growling only because nobody except your son or husband was present. He could well growl at you, if you came into your son bedroom at night to check on him and found your dog laying at his bed. To protect - is something in GSD, which has to have some sort of outcome, when your dog is barking at birds in the garden it also could be read as a wish to protect. That sort of behaviour could be observed when nothing really threatens the dog in his life. But, I should warn you - one day your dog may encounter a real threat, and his instincts would call him to meet the challenge. These growls are the signs of possible agressiveness. If he attacks even some stupid drunkard - you would be in a trouble. Train him to become obedient in order to avoid such a risk.
02-08-2014 04:32 PM
selzer My guess is still hormones. Especially since nothing more in six weeks. Good luck. Fixing everyone ought to do the trick. If not, then the boy for sure is one you would never want to breed. Let's hope that is the end of it.

Did you do an x-ray to check for pregnancy, or have the nine-weeks from Ovulation date expired?

Nothing wrong with checking into some NILIF, and upping the training and exercise. Wear his but out mentally and physically, and I would be very surprised if there are any other incidents.
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