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01-20-2014 01:53 PM
Mocha That's a good question LOL. When I went to login, it told me I had no account, so I made a new one figuring it was on a different site (I've checked out a couple dog sites) that I had "Mocha Joe". Now I realize (since you've pointed out) that I must have just used the wrong password or email. I wonder if there is a way to delete an account? I've been using this one ever since.

And that also leads to why I haven't been responding ! I really don't care to win much either, and if what you say is true about the general public then if his body structure checks out then I'll just go for it! I think it would be a good experience for the both of us. The training it will take would really help our bond, and let's face it he LOVES having a job to do !

I've been looking for local clubs around here, and the closest I have found is two hours away However, if I make it a weekly thing and make the trip Sat-Sun each week I think it is manageable. That way I could get some hands on learning with some people there. Hopefully they can give me a real feel for things (instead of just reading). However, this forum still has been incredibly insightful.




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01-20-2014 01:41 PM
Jax08 Why do you have two accounts? Mocha and Mocha Joe?
01-20-2014 01:40 PM
mcdanfam Can't answer your question, but will say you have a pretty baby!


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01-20-2014 01:31 PM
Chris Wild Sable is an allowed color under all standards, SV, AKC, whatever. It is not a disqualification or fault. And it is actually genetically the most dominant color so will be the one most represented unless specifically selected away from (as it has been in Euro show lines, but not due to any reason based on the standard).

Whether his structure would do well in either show venue, AKC or SV, is another matter. But color alone wouldn't preclude showing him.
01-20-2014 01:05 PM
N Smith I will be showing my working line male this June - he is Solid Black, with a nice working line structure.

I really don't care if he wins. But last year I was appalled to see what was passing as a Shepherd in the ring at my local show. Not only was their overexaggerated angles, but the most fearful Shepherds I have ever seen. Had to be forced to be examined, trying to hide behind the handlers from the Judges. When they were out of the ring, they all cowered in their crates.

My reason for showing my dog this year is just to show what a true working dog should LOOK and ACT like. I am certain he will be passed over, but everyone standing outside of the ring will be able to see the difference in temperament alone.
01-20-2014 12:51 PM
RubyTuesday For AKC, while he's not an automatic no, he's realistically a probably not gonna do well. Personally, if showing appeals to you apart from winning, get him out there b/c he'll most likely be a winner with the general public even if the judges reject him. In my experience the public at large often finds showlines to be the least attractive GSD & welcome exposure to the other types.
01-03-2014 02:57 PM
jocoyn Do spend some time. The standards are not at issue but how people interpret them and what they desire for that purpose. A lot of us would prefer the actual working line structure over the showline.
01-03-2014 02:49 PM
martemchik
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Martemchik, Since I've never actually shown a dog, what I know of the AKC standard is only what I've been able to read from their website and the books I've been able to get my hands on. What I know of his structure is what I am able to measure with my vet and since he is young I can only make estimates. I'm only asking about his color first because I couldn't really gather if it was frowned upon, and didn't want to waste any more of my time furthering my research if he was an automatic no.
Absolutely! And a great place to start. If you're really interested in showing, try to find your closest GSDCA club or a kennel club that has conformation classes. People will be able to tell you exactly what they see in your dog and you'll figure out exactly what the AKC is looking for.

Look up some videos of AKC shows, the GSDCA nationals, the breed competition at Westminster and you'll quickly notice the differences between your dog and the top competitors in the world of AKC.

I believe your dog has fantastic structure for life and work. Probably has some fantastic drive for obedience/bite work. But, the AKC conformation ring is a different animal.

It's not an automatic no, they'll let you show, but the likelihood of success is very little. I know someone that has a V rated sable working dog (German system), and was in an all breed show all by herself and was still given a 2nd place ribbon in order to keep her out of the group competition and not give her a win.
01-03-2014 02:42 PM
Mocha Joe Martemchik, Since I've never actually shown a dog, what I know of the AKC standard is only what I've been able to read from their website and the books I've been able to get my hands on. What I know of his structure is what I am able to measure with my vet and since he is young I can only make estimates. I'm only asking about his color first because I couldn't really gather if it was frowned upon, and didn't want to waste any more of my time furthering my research if he was an automatic no.
01-03-2014 02:36 PM
Mocha Joe
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If you look at the critique my dog section you can pose your dog in a stack and ask opinions. What is the pedigree? You could probably get involved with schutzhund and show under SV rules but, once again, for show there, black and red is favored. A lot of us on the forum love the working lines though.
His father is a Sch3 Slovakian Military K9, and he has definitely inherited his drive. His mother is from DDR working lines, but was kept as a family protector only. Unfortunately for me the only Schutzhund trainer in my area is moving soon and no longer taking new clients. However I've been researching a few clubs and started his basic obedience, tracking etc with a different trainer. Hopefully when I am ready to move I will find a trainer close by.
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