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01-03-2014 02:50 PM
JakodaCD OA the lack of understanding 'why' your dog bit and/or how to work situations is EXACTLY why you need a good trainer.

Dogs bite for a reason, 'we' may not know what that reason is, or feel the reason is a valid one, only the dog knows.

I agree you have a strong working lined dog, and therefore must adapt YOURSELF to what HE needs to be a good citizen

Most times it's not the dog, it's the owners who are lacking, ending up with a messed up dog.

Find a good trainer, that's the best advice you can get
01-03-2014 01:57 PM
Blanketback
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Originally Posted by G-burg View Post
If the dog is truly what the OP is saying, then there's no way in heck I'd be rough housing with him and becoming an equal to him..
That's the problem. If OP posted his video of them playing biting games with the throw cushion in this thread, I think this incident would make much more sense. The puppy isn't being taught bite inhibition, or to have a soft mouth. He's being taught to use his teeth, so it seems natural to me that he's going to use his teeth to communicate now too.
01-03-2014 10:40 AM
Jax08 nevermind...found it

Line-breeding for the progency of Ruger Van Den Heuvel and Zanet Jipo-Me

You have a strong working line dog. So I'm going to sound like a broken record here....find a good trainer. He has he potential to be anything you want him to be with the proper guidance.

I'm out. Good luck!
01-03-2014 10:33 AM
Jax08 Boomer - can you please post his pedigree again? It might help the more experienced people see what you are dealing with. I believe he has Cordon An-Sat on both sides as well as some other very strong dogs?
01-03-2014 10:22 AM
Gretchen
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Originally Posted by boomer11 View Post
Hahah comments like this is why i don't want a trainer. Most know nothing about a real gsd and make ridiculous statements.
I certainly understand your reaction.

See if you can go observe some group classes. I did this with 3 trainers, one was our breeder and he was very boring, but took our dog there when she was younger mainly to socialize with other GSDs. One trainer was all about treats and small dogs, the last one had made training fun for me, but if I totally went for his program, he'd train all the personality and instinct out of my dog. So just take what you need and stand up for yourself. The last trainer was excellent on training for the "down" command. This was the best thing we ever learned and mastered. Shop around and ask your vet or vet techs for referrals.

If you do decide to train on your own, this is a fun resource to look into:

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01-03-2014 10:20 AM
G-burg
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but then the dog starts to mature and everything gets out of whack. I've had a dog that I simply did not allow around other people or dogs for a 5 months period and the issue was *me*, not him. Once I got myself and my handling under control and we were in sync with each other, his behavior around other dogs and new people was a non-issue.
What Lies touched on is so important.. And so many people don't understand how much of an affect we can have on our dogs behavior, both in a positive and a negative way..

If the dog is truly what the OP is saying, then there's no way in heck I'd be rough housing with him and becoming an equal to him..

Like a lot of others have said.... there is always a warning before a dog strikes, always..
01-03-2014 09:47 AM
Liesje I agree with finding someone who works with GSD or the local SChH club. Personally I would not look for your average pet type trainer for this. I think that if you develop a strong working bond and learn how to control the dog *in general*, this issue will go away. A working GSD person or SchH club will be used to dealing with dogs that are very strong and often have their own agendas and hopefully give you the tools you need to move forward. I'm hesitant to agree that the dog was "frustrated" about not going for a walk because I have 5 dogs that all get psyched out to go for a walk but I would never expect one to nip someone in the gut because of that. Without actually seeing the incident I'd say that you have nothing to lose by working on more control and mutual respect in general. I'm not saying it's not there, but the dog is young so this is something that is critical as he matures. I know what it's like to have a puppy that is amazing, learning and soaking up obedience and new things like a little sponge, always dedicated to the owner and very happy and social with other people, but then the dog starts to mature and everything gets out of whack. I've had a dog that I simply did not allow around other people or dogs for a 5 months period and the issue was *me*, not him. Once I got myself and my handling under control and we were in sync with each other, his behavior around other dogs and new people was a non-issue.
01-03-2014 09:38 AM
Jax08
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Originally Posted by boomer11 View Post
Hahah comments like this is why i don't want a trainer. Most know nothing about a real gsd and make ridiculous statements.
Do you think people on the internet that have never seen your dog can give better advice? I've seen some pretty bad advice been given over the years.

Find a trainer that works with GSD's. Contact the local Schutzhund club and find out who their TD is.
01-03-2014 09:02 AM
boomer11
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Originally Posted by FortheLoveofChari View Post
Bingo!


Also, from what you're saying the dog doesn't seem comfortable around people. Moving his head away when being petted by strangers. Sounds like insecurity and fear. Does he give a wide eyed look when this behavior occurs?


I don't think we can say if it was out of fear, or aggression. But I can say it probably is out of anxiety.
Hahah comments like this is why i don't want a trainer. Most know nothing about a real gsd and make ridiculous statements.
01-03-2014 04:48 AM
Baillif I just wouldn't allow a dog to pull to meet someone or to whine and get worked up and then be allowed to meet while in that mind state regardless of whether the dog has bitten or might bite or not. It sets a bad precedent for how the dog meets strangers or strange dogs. Allowing a dog to "drag in" can result in an unpredictable situation when the dog finally gets there especially on dog vs dog face to face meet ups.

The act of holding the dog back might have been what caused the dog to build up enough frustration to even get to that point. Really hard to know without seeing and evaluating the dog first hand. The cause of it really probably isn't that important to the fix when it comes right down to it. I'd just tighten up on the obedience and if the dog broke the sit or down stay in the presence of others I'd just punish that. If the dog was starting the process of whining or getting worked up I'd correct him to stop that dead before it progressed too.
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