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01-11-2014 07:48 PM
von Bolen I'm sorry, but this sounds like its too early to say whether this mixing is sound or not. Frankly, I've never been a fan of Mal's because of their over-intensity that in my opinion, negates deliberate thought process that Gshep's are so known for. And also, in nature and in science, mixing and hybridization's in many forms has proven that unless you are in COMPLETE CONTROL of the genetics to the nth degree, success is a rarity. Just my .02
01-08-2014 02:40 PM
carmspack good to know -- by the way I do like their GSD very much !
01-08-2014 02:34 PM
blackshep I agree with you on that, I don't think the cutesy name is necessary. If it's a cross, just call it a cross. I don't think the OP is talking about creating a new breed, just looking for a new dog to work.

I do see your guys point though. I guess what I was thinking, is that it could maybe be an ok cross if you knew the bloodlines it was coming from on both sides and you are selecting them just as carefully as if you were breeding 2 GSD's together or 2 Mali's together.

But I can also see the point that if you like GSD's why mess with a good thing, which is a pretty good point.

I come from the horse world, and you frequently see carefully selected (just as an example) Thoroughbreds or Arabians periodically bred into some of the Warmblood lines to lighten them up and add a bit more blood, so I guess I'm looking at it from that standpoint to a certain extent. GSD's probably don't need anymore blood though. lol
01-08-2014 02:32 PM
ivhon I have a GSD from this breeder. I have nothing but good things to say about my girl. She's healthy, beautiful, smart, biddable, and seems very well-rounded in both temperament and drives - and isn't a puppy anymore.

I'm not, however, impressed with the breeder. Far too many untested dogs and almost no "support" post-purchase. I know breeder-bashing isn't loved on this forum, so I'll leave it at that.. but I will say that I haven't recommended them to anyone even though I'm really impressed with my dog.

Regarding number of dogs on premises.. I believe I remember her telling me she had 20+ dogs when I went to pick my puppy up. If you look at her page and consider any retired dogs around, I can believe it.

That being said - my pup is a GSD, not a Shepinois... so take all of this with a grain of salt. I believe she's only had the malis for these breedings for a year or two, while I believe she's been breeding shepherds for over a decade.


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I have personally been to these folks house twice to watch K-9 training. They are right around the corner from Sequoyah German Shepherds and simultaneously train when they split the 'training group' because it got to big.

So as far as being people is concern...they were very nice to me and made me feel welcomed. As far as the business of being a breeder, I can't say but they do seem like stand up folks.

After thought: they have two giant fenced in yards. When we were there, they had at least 8 GSDs running around the house.

I told my GF...I am jealous.
01-08-2014 02:27 PM
The Packman
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Originally Posted by jafo220 View Post
I am by no means endorsing this breeder. I seen your question, read through the responses and did a quick google search and this breeder popped up.

Shepinois
I have personally been to these folks house twice to watch K-9 training. They are right around the corner from Sequoyah German Shepherds and simultaneously train when they split the 'training group' because it got to big.

So as far as being people is concerned...they were very nice to me and made me feel welcomed. As far as the business of being a breeder, I can't say but they do seem like stand up folks.

After thought: they have two giant fenced in yards. When we were there, they had at least 8 GSDs running around the house.

I told my GF...I am jealous.
01-08-2014 02:11 PM
carmspack here is the problem . The name Shepinois gives it away . This is the annexation of the names of two breeds at its cutest , most marketable best -- like a cookapoo , or the version with the shih Tzu , say what?

by their own admission on the web site Shepinois which won't accommodate cut and paste "they are a cross between a German Shepherd and a Belgian Malinois , they are classed as a "DESIGNER DOG (my emphasis) , Hybrid (which is incorrect) , or Mix or German Malinois , (awkward).
Not once is there any mention of choosing for work . Much dedicated to colour and coat and then arbitrarily drawing a line as to what they inherit and from which partner.

People that "mix" for work , choose best candidates for work .
they don't create cutesy names . They tend to be known for a trait Coon hound , Fox Hound , Fox terrier , a person , a Plott hound ,
Parson Russell Terrier , an institute or region St. Bernard and Leonberger, Bavarian Mountain hound.
01-08-2014 01:54 PM
blackshep Sure, if you want! Maybe in a PM? I have hijacked this thread enough, I'm sure everyone is sick of me! lol
01-08-2014 01:45 PM
carmspack so do you want to review her diet?
01-08-2014 01:05 PM
blackshep
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blackshep the same thing could happen with any dog.
giardia will impact on digestion by damaging the mucosal lining , preventing absorption of nutrients , preventing distribution of nutrients because the transit time is altered (diarrhea). This will then have negative effects on the immune system since 70% perhaps more of the immune health is seated in the digestive system . Demodetic flares are a result of the impaired immune system. The hip ? may be genetic and that is the luck of the draw , or the condition of the animal may have contributed.
Problem with giardia is that more and more of these cysts have developed a resistance to the standard treatment , or can be reactivated.

that goes for any dog , any breed .
The hip is an issue with at least 3 of the pups in the litter, so something genetically didn't work out with that mating, the breeder was pretty gutted about it.

I know the giardia can affect the whole system and you're right, it can affect any dog. I'm just saying going to a good breeder doesn't guarantee anything, but it's a good place to start.

I guess I just feel frustrated thinking I was doing things right and having so many problems anyway. It started the moment she came home, pretty well, and it's been non-stop. My vet actually stopped charging me exam fees, I see her so frequently. Her allergies had her fur falling out this summer, it's been pretty rough for us both, I think, especially for my pup.

Don't mind me, just having a personal pity party over here sometimes. lol All in all, I love my dog to death, for all the bad things she's got just as many great things about her. It just really stinks watching her falling apart when I've tried to be so careful with her, especially when she's such an active dog and I have to be so careful about her activity level.

Anyway, I've steered this off topic a bit, so I'll try not to talk anymore.
01-05-2014 04:31 PM
Blitzkrieg1 This vid is a pretty good example of what people are talking about when it comes to the perception that you dont have to wait as long for malinois, dutchies and GSDs to develop.

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