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01-01-2014 05:05 PM
Saphire
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Originally Posted by doggiedad View Post
1 >>>> good temperament and health comes in all colors, yes or no?

2 >>>> i suspect a good SAR prospect comes in all colors.

3 >>>> i don't have much faith in the breeder picking a puppy.
the puppy you get at the time the breeder picks for you isn't the
same puppy weeks later, months later or a year later.

when a person pays for pick of the litter how is the breeder
picking a dog best suited for that person?
1. Depends on the breeder.

2. Not necessarily. Again depends on the breeder.

3. If you don't have faith in the breeder, the only one who knows their puppirs best...or should. Then its not a breeder I would go to. A good breeder KNOWS their puppies and knows what they see now and what they will develop into.

4. Pick of the litter depends on what the buyer is picking for so again the breeder is looking for something specific.
01-01-2014 04:44 PM
doggiedad 1 >>>> good temperament and health comes in all colors, yes or no?

2 >>>> i suspect a good SAR prospect comes in all colors.

3 >>>> i don't have much faith in the breeder picking a puppy.
the puppy you get at the time the breeder picks for you isn't the
same puppy weeks later, months later or a year later.

when a person pays for pick of the litter how is the breeder
picking a dog best suited for that person?

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Originally Posted by Saphire View Post

1 >>>> Priority for me was Temperment and Health. Color was not important.

2 >>>> My pup was identified by the breeder as a good SAR prospect which was what I wanted. To pick a different puppy because I preferred a specific coat color would be rediculous IMO.

3 >>>> Most good breeders pick the puppy best suited for the buyer based on Temperment/personality and the buyers "want" list. Coat color being preference may get you a great puppy but maybe not the best fit for personality. You could be bypassing the perfect fit for a look instead.
01-01-2014 04:26 PM
Saphire Priority for me was Temperment and Health. Color was not important.

My pup was identified by the breeder as a good SAR prospect which was what I wanted. To pick a different puppy because I preferred a specific coat color would be rediculous IMO.

Most good breeders pick the puppy best suited for the buyer based on Temperment/personality and the buyers "want" list. Coat color being preference may get you a great puppy but maybe not the best fit for personality. You could be bypassing the perfect fit for a look instead.
01-01-2014 04:02 PM
doggiedad explain what's wrong with picking a color first? you're not
giving anything up because you want a certain color.
you pick a color, gender, find a reputable breeder, pup
is from good stock and good health, titled and tested parents.
if all of these qualities are included in your picking what difference
does it make in what order you pick?

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Originally Posted by Saphire View Post

>>>>> For me it's not so much a problem for someone to have a color preference, but when it is the first priority there is something
wrong. <<<<<



The OP may have done this unintentionally, being the internet I read it as priority startef with coat color followed by oversized then came temperment etc.

Sometimes..actually, many times things are misinterpeted through text.
01-01-2014 03:42 PM
Saphire
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Originally Posted by Xeph View Post
Temperament is important, but people should be able to state they want x color without getting the temperament spiel all the time. I don't think anybody goes out looking for a nutter of a dog.

And there are plenty of GSD breeders out there that one can choose to forego a litter if it's a color they really don't want. Another litter is bound to have the color they do want with a good match for them.
For me it's not so much a problem for someone to have a color preference, but when it is the first priority there is something wrong. The OP may have done this unintentionally, being the internet I read it as priority startef with coat color followed by oversized then came temperment etc.

Sometimes..actually, many times things are misinterpeted through text.
01-01-2014 12:52 PM
Rangers_mom
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Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
rangers mom - post a pedigree . working line is understood to be the genetics of the bloodlines rather than the dog being able to work.[/url]

I cannot get a pedigree. Ranger was bred within the seeing eye program at their facility in Morristown NJ. They keep in depth records of their breeding for temperament and health but have no interest or need in registering them. I posted all of this about a year ago because I was curious whether anyone here knew anything about the type of GSDs they bred. Someone (sorry can't remember the name) on this board had adopt a GSD from them and told me they were working line.

From what you have described I think that Ranger is a saddle back. His back started out all black but now the black is sort of surrounded by tan/red. I was kind of disappointed when he lost the all black back because I thought it was cuter, but he is cute now too. The Seeing Eye has videos of GSDs from their program on their facebook site. Ranger looks alot like most of them.
01-01-2014 12:04 PM
carmspack rangers mom - post a pedigree . working line is understood to be the genetics of the bloodlines rather than the dog being able to work.
the black and red/ (tan) associated with the WGsl took hold in the late 60's thanks to Canto Wienerau . go find a wealth of information on an older thread Iceberg Breeders http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-breeders.html excellent input from several members .

Canto was a result of a breeding programme set by Walter Martin of Wienerau kennels . Martin was **** bent to remake the GSD into a physical type that was his version and the deep mahogany red was definitely a goal. You see he began in a working mind-set , and then abandoned that to achieve his new standard , which became "the" standard. Two factors . Factor one, Power (SV president) - the Martin stranglehold , Walter and brother Hermann being Wienerau and Arminius kennels - which to this day are the heavy duty line- in - breeding in the background of modern show lines , a group set apart from working by deliberate selection process. Factor two, Money .

the RED colour came in from Berta , apparently a crazy dog . In the litter , Dixie , maternal grandmother of Canto , was one of the first to exhibit this colour. The rest as they say is history.

The colour sure was flashy -- peacock flashy -- when the rest were more natural doggy colours if that makes any sense to you, comparatively plain - sables , blacks, greys, dogs like this in colour
VA 3 Bernd vom Lierberg V Zita vom Busecker Schloß

for a time period Canto Wienerau and Quanto Arminius were to be found on almost all pedigrees
History - Zwinger von der Wienerau
01-01-2014 11:28 AM
BriskaBoo13
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Originally Posted by Rangers_mom View Post
I'm sorry but I would like to go back to the WL not being black and red. What is the difference between saddle and blanket. I am just curious as to what kind of GSD I have.

Saddle back is just the amount of black on the dogs back (the amount that resembles a saddle on a horse, right in the middle of the back) Blanket back is the black that lays over the whole back of the dog.
01-01-2014 10:52 AM
Rangers_mom I'm sorry but I would like to go back to the WL not being black and red. What is the difference between saddle and blanket. I am just curious as to what kind of GSD I have.
12-31-2013 10:14 PM
dawnandjr I agree about picking for color, but it has to be 'part' of the whole package. The package needs to include: health testing, titling, proper temperament, proper size to standard, gender you want, etc. They are out there, you just have to look and do your own research.
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