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01-06-2014 11:55 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Packen View Post
Karen Pryor calls out using a laser pointer, what does she know
Target Training | Karen Pryor Clicker Training

People need to realize that OCD is a disease, laser pointers DO NOT cause OCD. Dogs that do not have OCD will NOT be ruined if you decide to use a laser pointer. Key is to know your dog.
Never heard of her. Course I am not a fan of clickers or gadgets. Dogs that do not show OCD behaviors can have it come out after laser pointers are used with them. I agree it is a disease. I am NOT arguing that laser pointers cause it. I am arguing that you can make things a lot worse for your dog if it happens your dog does have the problem.

But I really don't have a dog in this fight. Knock yourself out.
01-06-2014 11:19 PM
Packen Karen Pryor calls out using a laser pointer, what does she know
Target Training | Karen Pryor Clicker Training

People need to realize that OCD is a disease, laser pointers DO NOT cause OCD. Dogs that do not have OCD will NOT be ruined if you decide to use a laser pointer. Key is to know your dog.
01-06-2014 11:13 PM
my boy diesel if you ever had a dog
with an ocd you'd understand why
so many people are against the laser pointer play

even huffpo feature an article

Laser Dogs: Why Laser Beams Make Canines Crazy

it is not so difficult to recommend
an actual toy such as a ball to throw for a dog
people can't be that lazy!!????
01-06-2014 11:10 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Packen View Post
Exactly what I am trying to point out here.
You can point stuff out without swearing, even in acronyms, it's against the rules.

The substance itself is perfectly legal and welcomed here. It's just naming it that is not allowed.
01-06-2014 11:02 PM
Packen
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
BS is against the rules here.
Exactly what I am trying to point out here.
01-06-2014 10:48 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Packen View Post
No it is BS. An accident is an accident, a dog suffering from OCD is a disease, not all dogs have it.
BS is against the rules here.

A dog might have OCD and never suffer from it. Or may not suffer as much as they will if people screw around with laser pointers.

I don't understand why people are being so anal about it. If it was anyone else's website, it would be like, "ok, yeah, they should get that off of there." But because it is Cesar's website, people are arguing and fighting about it.

Not every collie has a mutant MDR+ gene. Should we not encourage people to get their dog tested before giving them ivermectin?
01-06-2014 10:40 PM
Packen
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
People who have not known someone who's kid was killed with a baloon would never think another thing of it. If you do know someone who's kid was killed by a baloon, you tend to want to tell people when you see someone letting their dog play with baloons until they pop. I mean, with a kid falling on the baloon so it pops and goes down the throat, it is a pretty freak accident. But dogs do everything with their mouth and their pointy teeth. Of course they are going to pop a baloon in their mouth.

It's the same deal, really. People do not know the dangers of these things. People tend to believe what is written on a famous dog-person's site.
No it is BS. An accident is an accident, a dog suffering from OCD is a disease, not all dogs have it.
01-06-2014 10:30 PM
onyx'girl Onyx played with a laser pointer once. My son had one and he was amused at Onyx's interest in it, so played with her. I came home and saw what was happening and put a stop to it. For several days after that, Onyx kept digging at the carpet where that laser was pointed and I knew better than to ever let her be subjected to one again.
To downplay the seriousness of OCD is irresponsible. Some dogs could care less, for others it is a big deal. I'd rather not use such a thing to amuse myself or my dogs.
01-06-2014 10:12 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Ava_Shepsky View Post
LOL I am not a Cesar fanatic. Just admitting he does good work. Never said he wasn't wrong either. Just saying it shouldn't be such a big deal imo for people who are smart enough to look to many different places for info (hopefully that includes all of us here- or anyone with access to the internet)
There are many different factors that would contribute to a dog becoming OCD over a laser pointer. It wouldn't happen soley because there is an article suggesting it online. You'd have to do a few things wrong and prob have a messed up dog to begin with genetically.
People always look for someone to blame. "My dog is addicted to the laser pointer! Cesar said it on his site ! It's Cesar's fault!" Instead of taking responsibility. That's what I was trying to say.
People who have no idea their dog is OCD, it's bloody cold, they are on the internet looking at dog stuff, and find this article about exercising in foul weather. Great! I got one of those, let's try it.

Dog's OCD comes out right away. It's done. The dog is now chasing shadows, and lights, can't go by a stainless steel bucket without freaking. Never happened before.

If there is something that dangerous on my website, I would want to know it was there, so I could get it off of there.

Someone who has never heard of the dangers of using laser pointers would never think a second thing of it. People who have not known someone who's kid was killed with a baloon would never think another thing of it. If you do know someone who's kid was killed by a baloon, you tend to want to tell people when you see someone letting their dog play with baloons until they pop. I mean, with a kid falling on the baloon so it pops and goes down the throat, it is a pretty freak accident. But dogs do everything with their mouth and their pointy teeth. Of course they are going to pop a baloon in their mouth.

It's the same deal, really. People do not know the dangers of these things. People tend to believe what is written on a famous dog-person's site.
01-06-2014 04:46 PM
Ava_Shepsky
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
And this is why I finally went back and voted on the Cesar poll. I don't really hate him, no. But I absolutely hate the fact that people think that he walks on water. Of course you want to know if someone put something potentially dangerous on your website. People will think that you believe that stuff. People might do it, because Cesar doesn't just have followers, he also has fanatics.

I mean really, anybody else save maybe a president, and you can disagree with something that they say or do without it being a personal attack that his followers must violently oppose. Even if it is something the dude himself has talked of the dangers of, well its on his site, you all should just go find someone better to pick on because this man is a hero. He helps dogs. He helps dog owners. He is wonderful. He is always right, even when he is wrong, and says he is wrong, he is right.

I have never had a problem with a laser pointer. But I have never messed with the dogs with one either. But I have read enough accounts of others to know that there is a pretty good chance that there is something to it. CM is probably happy that people are checking it out, and flagging it, so he can get it off of there.

LOL I am not a Cesar fanatic. Just admitting he does good work. Never said he wasn't wrong either. Just saying it shouldn't be such a big deal imo for people who are smart enough to look to many different places for info (hopefully that includes all of us here- or anyone with access to the internet)
There are many different factors that would contribute to a dog becoming OCD over a laser pointer. It wouldn't happen soley because there is an article suggesting it online. You'd have to do a few things wrong and prob have a messed up dog to begin with genetically.
People always look for someone to blame. "My dog is addicted to the laser pointer! Cesar said it on his site ! It's Cesar's fault!" Instead of taking responsibility. That's what I was trying to say.
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