|Yesterday 12:26 PM|
My GSD is also 2 years and has bad skin reaction for over a year now. It started when we went away for 3 weeks and put him in a dog hotel. He developed dermodectic mange for which he was treated. Since then it has been a constant battle. We determined he was allergic to chicken, and switched to a turkey and duck kibble. The kibble we used was fairly high end - Acana/Orijen and the holistic Now! for large breeds. But he was still scratching and very itchy.
Towards the middle/end of November we switched to RAW [BCR which is a very good brand] and started with beef. He seemed to improve then went downhill from there - he lost about 3-4 kg and we were feeding 3%+ of his weight. He also developed diarhea and started vomitting. He was insanely itchy.
The vet told us we need to give him something he has never been exposed to and in North America that is kangaroo. Finding affordable pure raw kangaroo in Ontario Canada is impossible...So then we moved back to kibble - a veterinary diet - IAMS Kangaroo. He is still itchy, but the fur is starting to grow back on his ears and the change is OMG remarkable. He has got his drive back. And this is after less than 3 weeks! I do sport scenting with him and the folks I do it with say he is a different dog - even I can't believe how well he is working!
There is another brand in the US that makes a kangaroo based food - but that company has been subject to numerous recalls - so did not want to risk that.
Much as I hate science diets and think they are really poor quality, I will give my dog anything at this stage that will make him feel/get better.
One thing we did notice though, is that when the temperature drops to -5C and below he gets more itchy.
If your dog does not improve, RAW may not be working for him. I would honestly recommend you trying the IAMS Kangaroo - it requires a vet script to get - it's freaking expensive [about CAD 112 for a 13 kg bag], but worth it if it works for your dog.
Just as an FYI - my vet was (1) kangaroo (2) cook his meals [but the recommended recipes used beef and chicken] and (3) vegetarian.
RAW doesn't work for all dogs - during my research I found that the most common food sensitivities in dogs are:
beef, dairy products, chicken, lamb, fish, chicken eggs, corn, wheat, and soy....
Some-one earlier in the post recommended you do a food sensitivity check, I would highly recommend that if you want to stick with RAW. And I would not do the common ones first - I would do something like rabbit or bison. What my vet told me is true though, the dog food industry are now also creating a wide variety of dog treats - I know I gave Thor rabbit ears, bison and wild boar treats in the past. That counts as being exposed to that food...
Just my 2 cents.
PS: the correct name for the kangaroo food is IamsŪ Veterinary Formula™ Skin & Coat Plus Response™ KO
|Yesterday 02:14 AM|
|gibby913||Gator as an update Panzer is still having spells of red/itchy patches. It seems to be getting better but very slowly now. He did start oozing some yellowy discharge but not much. Using Nyx's experience as a guideline I'm assuming this is a sign of progress.|
|03-03-2014 09:30 PM|
It's been a couple of weeks. How about an update
How is our Panzer doing?
|02-17-2014 06:15 PM|
Oh my Goodness. Promising post!
That is a HUGE improvement so far.
I will keep my fingers and toes crossed for Panzer.
Just be vigilant in the steps you are taking.
Just remember it is a process. Think how long he has been suffering and now it all has to reverse out. And healing often takes longer than getting sick.
And I would definitely try to keep a log of what is going in him, how much and when. So if there are any set backs you can try to detect what it was that was recently introduced to his system.
|02-16-2014 03:35 PM|
met again with my friends yesterday , both in the medical fields - and another with a chemistry background -- .
Originally Posted by carmspack
" The last shot Fraoch got was 1.5 ml of Depomedrol with the 1Duolocillin LA CANINE. The cost of both is fairly expensive . It does help though do us worth the effort" and a shampoo with " the shampoo is either one of UBA vet or Virbac epi soothe shampoo and cream rinse is Virbac epi soothe cream rinse. "
I can't tell on my phone, so I think I am quoting something you were quoting, my phone messes up things a lot, but.... Just to clarify and hipefully help, DepoMedrol is CHEAP, and is the Duolcillan LA. It's just penicillin. Like should be 2 pennies a CC.
Just don't want your friend to get ripped off. I am glad it's working. I must say though. That I find it hilarious that with all the new fangled high end medicine, referrals, allergy tests, yadda yadda, the thing that helping is good old steroids and penicillin.
gsdsar , I questioned them about the depromedrol which is not an antibiotic penicillin but a corticosteroid. Duplocillin is a long lasting penicillin.
Expensive . yes , here it is , where these drugs are controlled .
which leads me to a new thread ..... new skin problems .. where I will reference this post and this thread to continue a discussion .
|02-16-2014 03:46 AM|
|gibby913||Nyx, his skin was red and irritated around the hairline as you said and felt hot. I continued rubbing CO and Bag Balm over his skin and as an update he stopped chewing for two days now! His skin wasn't bright red today and his energy and mood was awesome today. Hopefully it stays this way. Sorry for the lengthy delay in between posts......I'm a bit of an internet flake.|
|02-15-2014 01:24 AM|
|my boy diesel||
zymox is excellent proven product for ears
and now makes all sorts of
skin products as well
i'm a believer after our dog
had a yeast inf. in ear and
zymox healed it
used it for the full 2 weeks
and it's completely cleared
your dog has what is called malassezia pachydermatis
this zymox would fix that
plus if it is a horrid skin infection like mrsa
it would take care of that as well
|02-15-2014 01:01 AM|
even Selsun blue fortified is good for yeast infections (fungal)
Olive leaf powder is anti fungal . Add to diet .
You could have used zymox for the ears - probably the best product .
|02-15-2014 12:59 AM|
|my boy diesel||
good info thank you for providing
clear case of
one sizes does not fit all
|02-15-2014 12:51 AM|
I'm going to chime in and offer my 2 cents. I have an old female shepherd mix and she had severe yeast problems (oozing wet under the neck, smelly wet gunky ears, greasy skin, bald spots from itching). She was an outside dog living in moist environment. She was fed mid-grade kibble. Anyways this is what I did and she's pretty yeast free for the most part as in no more stink/greasy coat, yeasty ears, or any bald itchy spots. I went to the vet and all they did was put her on steroids, gave me an ear flush, gave me a skin protectorant thing and the vet was no help at all with her problems.
1. I switched her to raw. If you're starting out with raw, go easy on organs - maybe even omit it for 2-3 weeks.
2. I put her on probiotics for a month (purina fortiflora). This helped, but is not needed anymore and you could probably go without it.
3. I bathed her in malaseb (the frequency depends on how fast yeast comes back, 1x a week is good). There are other medicated shampoos you can get on amazon such as virbac or zymox.
4. Eliminate all treats except for real meat treats only. No biscuits and no store bought superficial treats. Treats should only be freeze dried, dehydrated, REAL meat with no other additives at all.
5. Clean the ears once a day. I used a medicated ear flush (first one I got from vet). At first you will have to use a flush if there are stuff in the ear canals. Squirt a lot into the ear and let it fill up and massage the canal. Let the dog shake it out and repeat again. the dog will shake it out and it will air dry on its own. After the ears are clear of gunk, you can use dilute soln of 50/50 water and apple cider vinegar for a cleaning soln. Either use the flush or use acv, just stick with one. I would dip a cotton ball with acv soln and stick in dog's ear and squeeze liquid out into ear canal. Massage and let dog shake it out. You can then take another clean cotton ball and clean/dry the ears.
It didn't take long for her to clear up especially once I eliminated all bad treats.
Next, I have a belgian shepherd mix with hot spots. At first I tried the coconut oil on his coat after a bath. IT WAS THE WORSE THING TO DO FOR HIM. He completely broke out in hives and he ripped his fur out. So, no coconut oil for him. Coconut oil is also too rich for him to ingest. Just one tsp 1x a day gave him runs.
This is what I do for him
1. Switched his food to grain free kibble.
2. Bathe him in cooler water with a neem type soap free shampoo.
3. Eliminate all junk food - store bought treats or anything food that can trigger yeast.
4. For his hotspots, I shaved the area then wiped it down with a soaked cloth in dilute povidone-iodine solution 10%. I bought this in a local hardware/pet supply store. This soln is safe if it is ingested by the dog. Wash the area once a day with the solution and pat dry. Sometimes I spray the infected area with acv, but it stings so I prefer the povidone-iodine soln. The iodine soln is a "non-irritating, non-stinging topical antiseptic for degerming skin". I also notice for my belgian mix, he is more itchy during the warmer months and with warmer indoor temps.
My opinion is to start with a natural diet and don't over complicate it. Eliminating "treats" would help tremendously. Purchase a medicated shampoo specifically for yeast such as malaseb. Purchase or make an ear flush. If I were you, I'd stop putting coconut oil on the dog's coat. Anyways, I just wanted to share the things that worked for my problem dogs.
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