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04-20-2014 01:07 AM
Nyx Gibby:

I think you are expecting too much a bit too quickly.

I know that Panzers skin has "pinked" and is growing new hair by what you are saying. And this alone should make you be jumping for joy. Because by all rites the vet's I spoke with said that once the "black" skin has appeared that it normally do not get "pink" again.

But if he still has black in his "pits" then he is still 'cleaning out' his system.

IMO I think the bathing is not helping at this point. This is just my experience, so please make up your own mind with your current experience and research.
But for us the moisture was promoting the sap condition. Like getting a scab wet, would just injure the new skin growing and promote scars.

We used wipes (from the vet) to 'rinse' his coat and paws off when he was out doors.
I kept Dante in cotton (shirts and socks): either covered in bag balm to soothe the red inflamed skin(and to keep from licking it before the posture collar); or dry to keep the sap from crusting in his fur.

And we lived in a Victorian/Elizabethan collar so he could not reach himself to irritate the skin.

Please do not give up: Look at the progress you have gotten to already.
I know it seems like it may not be as dramatic as you want it to be, but the skin color alone is a HUGE improvement.

It is showing you he is really healing.

And in my opinion stop the allergy shots. This is the second post you have mentioned that Panzer got a shot and now is having a "Set back."
04-19-2014 01:32 AM
Bear L It took my non-GSD male dog one year of terrible skin, stuff oozing out, hot spots, plugged anal glands, some restless nights, chewing himself raw, low energy (just sleeps and drags his feet on walks), picky eating habits before he was more normal. Few years later he is all good and now he eats like a pig if allowed. I made drastic changes and persisted with it and I believe that gave his body time to heal the way it should, inside out.

I don't know what your dog's problem is but what I did was stop all the vet visits for his allergy (no more medication, shots, it was a firm decision even though sometimes i did have doubts and wondered if I was doing it right) and used everything that is natural (not processed stuff labeled natural but stuff that is in its own natural state) I can get my hands on to treat the symptoms and fed home cooked meal (no additives, 100% quality natural stuff) according to what he's willing to take in (he refused meat for a long time and would starve himself if I will only feed him meat). It took a lot of time - did lots of research and trying to keep his skin as cleaned up as possible and taking extreme precaution to avoid anything that will cause a flare up - and telling him to stop chewing himself (surprisingly he will listen) and drying all moist spots ASAP. It was a hard year and I was so glad when he finally visibly improved a year later. It took few more years of on and off set backs but never as bad as it originally was and I was much more relaxed about it then. Now he is pretty normal, I don't pay much attention to his long coats anymore and let him get as dirty as he wants, let him itch himself when he wants, and he thrives. Once he's healthy I discovered a fiesty annoying side to him that I never seen before.

I was looking for a solution where he does not need to depend on temporary unnatural medication for the rest of his life that can only make him even more dependent with each use. I have very limited knowledge and resources (I bought a lot of stuff but all together cannnot be more expensive than a couple vet visits) but believed I was going in the right direction that put my dog on the right track. Many ways to get there via the natural route, mine took a year plus some for a first timer learning it.

I encourage you to do your own research and do lots of it. It will take a lot of time, no short cuts unfortunately. Question every thing you're told. Then you just might be rewarded with a permanent solution!
04-19-2014 12:48 AM
my boy diesel what is his deameanor? is he still itching like mad?
04-18-2014 10:43 PM
gibby913 He did recently have his allergy shot.......But I also increased the amount of Ketachlor bathing......His skin btw has returned to a normal pink color for the most part, and hair is beginning to grow back in many areas. There are still some black areas around the crease of his hind legs.

The yellow sapping has slowed now, but is still present. I've had to stop the bathing for a week now due to the cold weather here ( afraid he'll become ill - its only 55 degrees in my home and im not getting any more oil since its so late in season)

I feel like I'm failing him here. I'm going to get his thyroid tested as soon as budget permits. My wife is beyond discouraged. She feels him going on like this is torture. She thinks its time to put him down but I'm simply not ready to give up on him yet.
04-17-2014 12:21 AM
Nyx Gibby:

If I understand your post Panzer has healed(better skin) and now the fresh skin is crusting with the yellow sap stuff- Questions:

When you say "healed" do you mean the redness and inflammation is no longer present?

Or do you mean it is back to a healthy pink with new hair?

In my experience with Dante:

If you mean that the skin is no longer red and inflamed then the next step is the gray/black will crust with the yellow sap stuff.

If you mean that his skin has returned to a healthy pink with new hair, and he is now crusting with yellow sap stuff I would re evaluate what you have fed him and see if something new has been added recently.
Allergy shot?
Laying out side in the grass?

I am vey sorry to hear you are having more set backs.

I know with Dante the bathing so frequently sorta promoted the sap. I would keep him in cotton and brush(carefully) the flakes away.
04-14-2014 07:40 PM
GatorBytes If you are going to do a thyroid test then VERY specifically have the test done by Dr. Jean Dodd's. You may have to insist to your vet that THIS is what you want and who you want to do this test. You may have to submit yourself, your vet would draw blood.

Hemopet Hemolife Thyroid Testing

Idexx labs and most vets only test the T4 levels and if fall within range, then it is scratched off the list...but there is a gray area that basically indicates borderline and that is when you want to prevent...(hence kelp, Ashwagandha)...Idexx also has a base line normal ~ a one size fits all, Hemopet takes into consideration, breed, age, sex, altered.
04-14-2014 07:27 PM
Harry and Lola Its just that my Lola has thyroid issues and before treating her, she constantly had skin problems - itching, sores, weeping and her ears were always getting infected. It might be something to consider and if not thyroid, then this will be just one thing you can cross off your list of possible issues. If it is thyroid, then he will require Thyorixine (or something similar) for the rest of his life, but will fix the problem.
04-14-2014 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by gibby913 View Post
No I haven't. Forgive my ignorance but is that a possible cause for this skin issue?
Yes it could be. Think this is mentioned in the earlier posts. However at 2yrs. old I would hazard a guess that it would be autoimmune thyroiditis. Weak Thyroid issues are usually an aging issue - over 6yrs old I believe.

Kelp (iodine in), helps nourish the thyroid.
Ashwagandha is an herb that works on the adrenals, thyroid as well as immune system.
04-14-2014 07:01 PM
gibby913 No I haven't. Forgive my ignorance but is that a possible cause for this skin issue?
04-14-2014 06:51 PM
Harry and Lola sounds really miserable for your poor boy, have you tested his thyroid levels? can be done through your vet.
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