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Today 12:21 AM
Nyx Gibby:

If I understand your post Panzer has healed(better skin) and now the fresh skin is crusting with the yellow sap stuff- Questions:

When you say "healed" do you mean the redness and inflammation is no longer present?

Or do you mean it is back to a healthy pink with new hair?

In my experience with Dante:

If you mean that the skin is no longer red and inflamed then the next step is the gray/black will crust with the yellow sap stuff.

If you mean that his skin has returned to a healthy pink with new hair, and he is now crusting with yellow sap stuff I would re evaluate what you have fed him and see if something new has been added recently.
Allergy shot?
Laying out side in the grass?

I am vey sorry to hear you are having more set backs.

I know with Dante the bathing so frequently sorta promoted the sap. I would keep him in cotton and brush(carefully) the flakes away.
04-14-2014 07:40 PM
GatorBytes If you are going to do a thyroid test then VERY specifically have the test done by Dr. Jean Dodd's. You may have to insist to your vet that THIS is what you want and who you want to do this test. You may have to submit yourself, your vet would draw blood.

Hemopet Hemolife Thyroid Testing

Idexx labs and most vets only test the T4 levels and if fall within range, then it is scratched off the list...but there is a gray area that basically indicates borderline and that is when you want to prevent...(hence kelp, Ashwagandha)...Idexx also has a base line normal ~ a one size fits all, Hemopet takes into consideration, breed, age, sex, altered.
04-14-2014 07:27 PM
Harry and Lola Its just that my Lola has thyroid issues and before treating her, she constantly had skin problems - itching, sores, weeping and her ears were always getting infected. It might be something to consider and if not thyroid, then this will be just one thing you can cross off your list of possible issues. If it is thyroid, then he will require Thyorixine (or something similar) for the rest of his life, but will fix the problem.
04-14-2014 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by gibby913 View Post
No I haven't. Forgive my ignorance but is that a possible cause for this skin issue?
Yes it could be. Think this is mentioned in the earlier posts. However at 2yrs. old I would hazard a guess that it would be autoimmune thyroiditis. Weak Thyroid issues are usually an aging issue - over 6yrs old I believe.

Kelp (iodine in), helps nourish the thyroid.
Ashwagandha is an herb that works on the adrenals, thyroid as well as immune system.
04-14-2014 07:01 PM
gibby913 No I haven't. Forgive my ignorance but is that a possible cause for this skin issue?
04-14-2014 06:51 PM
Harry and Lola sounds really miserable for your poor boy, have you tested his thyroid levels? can be done through your vet.
04-14-2014 06:40 PM
gibby913 Hey all,

Just updating on Panzer. I've since put him in a cone to prevent him from gnawing his skin. Since then he has been giving off an awful smell and his skin is protruding massive amounts of yellowish discharche/scabbing but the odd thing is it's where the skin is now healthy. I've continued giving him the ketachlor baths, Im doing them everyother day now, and will continue to do so as it seems to be helping.

Why is this starting now? His skin is pretty much healed, and some hair regeneration has occurred but the yellow discharge is getting quite frequent (it's coming back almost every other day in between bathing!)

Is this good? I know you guys said its infection leaving the body but what does that mean? Does that mean he's had this infection on going and his body is finally expelling it from his system? Or does it mean this is a new infection???

I'm still waiting to get into the holistic vet, I'm on their cancellation call list.

Thanks all for the support and info!
03-10-2014 06:14 PM
GatorBytes Minoli made a couple references I was going to touch on.

1) Loose the Wal-Mart chicken/find a co-op ~ Thumbs - up!

2) Kinesiology or also known as muscle testing for sensitivities. Based on energy. My Holistic vet used this to test supplements she wanted G on, but before just giving them she did the test Minoli describes.

I had read about prior, but didn't really see or feel what she regarded as needed as my arm was out to my side, holding the bottle on my dogs shoulder, she would press down on my wrist with two fingers....I was to hold but not arm moved slightly...

Well, I questioned what if it was something he didn't need...she grabbed a bottle of heart meds., I extended my arm, she pressed down and my arm was a rubber band! I couldn't resist against the slight pressure. It's quite amazing.

Can't wait till you get an appointment w/holistic vet. DO you call often to see if any cancellations that day? That's an option to get in sooner
03-10-2014 01:08 PM
Minoli I had a very similar case to yours Gibby, it is still present but has gotten much better. My girlfriend and I got our dog, Leo (8 weeks old) in August of 2011, and began feeding raw in February of 2012. He was fed raw until March/April of 2013, when we switched back to kibble. He developed hot spots all over his stomach, raw/flaky skin on the tips of his ears (still present), a dry nose (still present), ear infections and chewed at his paws and legs excessively. He also had black flaky patches on his cheeks. I switched to raw because I wanted to provide him with the most beneficial diet possible.

We went to our vet, who concluded that it wasn't mange. He gave us alcohol wipes and topical cream to put on his cheeks which cleared it up. Although I can't exactly recall what we were prescribed by our vet, I felt like we were getting the run around. Most vets seem to give you a solution to mask the problem, instead of actually figuring out what causes it and removing the cause from the environment/diet for a permanent solution.

We then went to a holistic vet that conducted tests by having a variety of raw meat in a small test tube, in which the vets assistant held the test tubes of raw meat to Leo's side, and the vet would see how easily the assistants arm would go down. We did 3 sessions of this (once every 3-4 weeks), and it didn't seem like we were getting anywhere. Especially when he said Leo's allergic to every meat except for fish and lamb. The holistic vet told us this is a very rare circumstance where Leo has so many allergens, that it would be best to switch back to kibble since he is so limited on his protein sources.

My girlfriend wanted to keep Leo on kibble the whole time, so I figured we could try this (also recommended by the holistic vet now) since we had nothing to lose. We have been feeding him Nature's Recipe Grain Free Salmon, Sweet Potato and Pumpkin. He has been doing well on it overall, no more hot spots on stomach, he has put on a little more weight and overall looks healthier than he did on the raw diet. Our dog trainer and friends have noticed how much better his coat looks. We just recently started adding tripe to his meals to help him gain weight. He's 71 lbs right now, and could easily put on another 8-10 lbs to be at a healthy weight.

However he is still not 100%, since he still has a very dry nose (it feels like sand paper) the tips of his ears are still raw, he had a bad ear infection a couple months ago and he rubs his nose/head on the bed after every meal. I believe part of his nose issues may be from trying to break out of his crate every day when my girlfriend and I are at work. We had to put carabiners on all 4 corners of his crate, as well as both doors to prevent him from breaking out. He chewed through the dry wall and molding when we left him out around 8 months ago, so he won't have free roam again for a little while longer.

We ordered Inflight Coat Formula per our breeders recommendation, since his coat is also very thin (it should be quite a bit thicker, especially with the cold winter we've been experiencing). Inflight Coat Formula, Finally a Coat Supplement that Works!
We've been adding this for the past 2-3 weeks now, so are waiting to see if this helps. We have also been putting coconut oil on his nose and tips of his ears 1-2 times per day, for as long as I can remember.

I hope everything clears up with your boy. I read through your whole thread, and believe I recall reading that you got some of your chicken from either Meijer or Walmart? If that's the case, then I would avoid that at all costs. I'd recommend looking into into a raw co-op, where the meat is purchased at bulk, is all natural and even cheaper than Meijer/Walmart. Meijer/Walmart injects their chicken breasts and other pieces with 'natural juices'. My dog would turn his nose to the Meijer chicken, but would eat the same cut of chicken from the co-op. The lady in my co-op delivers around 10,000 lbs. of meat a month throughout Michigan. There are many other raw co-ops out there, so one in your state should be very likely.

I wish the raw diet would've worked for Leo, as I truly believe it is the best thing to feed a dog. I look forward to hearing your progress, and hope your dog gets better. It's unfortunate that most vets aren't more familiar with this, since it's obvious in your thread that more people than you and I are having a very similar problem.
03-10-2014 04:35 AM
Nyx Gibby:

Are you still taking Panzer to the holistic vet for his allergy shots?

And if so, are his 'flair ups' in any routine timing after these shots?

If they happen to co-incide with the shots, let your vet know. The strength of the allergy shots may be too much yet.

An allergy shot is a serum made of the triggers that Panzer was sensitive to. They increase the amount of allergens in each new shot, in a hope to build up his sensitivity/immunity to the allergens.

If he is having break outs after new shots they may need to ease the level of allergens in the shots.

I would definitely let them know that his healing has slowed now.

And make sure you are staying on top of the itching/gnawing. If he is able to get to an area he will cause new oozing.

Also if you introduced anew type of food product or treats they may be causing a reaction as well.

I will keep everything crossed for your Panzer that he returns to a quicker state of healing. But remember it did take us at least three months to get rid of all the red, oozing, and then the flakes had to be brushed all off.
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