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12-23-2013 07:00 PM
Springbrz
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Originally Posted by sarah1366 View Post
Suprised you've not tried glucosamine msm helps with inflammation and any arthritic pain it's herbal and believe you me does work I've had last two eldest shepherds on it no side effects and doesn't cause liver or kidney damage it replaces fluid that's lost around the joints that they get as they get older reduces inflammation and kills pain maybe worth looking into food luck hope all gets better

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I have used cosequin in the past for arthritic dogs. This is our 9mo old pup and it is either an injury or pano. I have been trying to give her glucosamine/chondroitin. She doesn't like cosequin beef chews. I have tried nupro silver as well. She absolutely hates the nupro. These supplements aren't cheap to keep buying to have her spit them out or flat out refuse to eat her food if it mixed in. I'm going to have to get regular pills and try pill pockets or try to trick her with peanut butter. Have to wait to afford trying something new. $100 vet bill the week before Christmas didn't help.
12-23-2013 03:19 PM
Momto2GSDs @ Springbiz: You are most welcome!

No, homeopathic's must be taken in a "clean mouth" which means no food or water at least 20 minutes before and after the dose. This is because it is absorbed into the tissues of the mouth, going straight into the blood stream. Just like when a heart patient put nitro glycerine under his tongue. So if anyone tells you to put a true homeopathic into food, is not giving you the correct information.

The "remedy" is in little tiny "sugar pills" or "sugar globules" (depends on which brand). These can be dissolved in 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of purified water. The "pills" will melt immediately. The "globules" would need to be put into a little bowl with the water and stirred until dissolve, which takes a little while.

The best way to administer is to catch your dog at rest, gently lift the side of his/her lip, and drizzle it on to their gums. I would suggest practicing this ritual several times per day, before you give it to them, if your dog is not use to you standing next to them lifting up their lips! If interested in the Traumeel, you can get this in liquid form also, but note that it may contain a % of alcohol to preserve it, which some dogs are not fond of.

Another thing about the homeopathic remedies is that if you pour too many little pills out in your hand, do not put them back into the bottle as it may "foul" it. Save them for the next round. Same with liquid from droppers: don't touch the dogs lips with it, but if you do, pour some hot water over the dropper and cool before replacing it in the liquid bottle.

If you decide to use one of these products, feel free to pm me for help!

Years ago, when I was in bed for almost 2 years with an illness that specialists couldn't figure out, I went the Homeopathic route. It didn't cure me once but twice when I came down with the same thing a year later, so I KNOW it works! After becoming interested in Homeopathy to help our first GSD who was dying, I found it highly amusing that the remedy that cured me comes from one of my biggest fears......snakes (can't even look at them on tv). My "constitution" was Lachesis which is made from the venom from the Bush Master snake! LOL!
Moms
12-23-2013 11:08 AM
sarah1366 Suprised you've not tried glucosamine msm helps with inflammation and any arthritic pain it's herbal and believe you me does work I've had last two eldest shepherds on it no side effects and doesn't cause liver or kidney damage it replaces fluid that's lost around the joints that they get as they get older reduces inflammation and kills pain maybe worth looking into food luck hope all gets better

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12-23-2013 10:51 AM
Springbrz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
Have you considered a natural alternative such as the Homeopathic's Traumeel or Zeel? No side effects with these.
TRAUMEEL: Inflammation of muscles, bone, soft tissue, tendon, ligaments, nerves.
Aconitum napellus
Arnica Montana, radix
Bellis perennis
Calendula officinalis
Chamomilla
Echiacea Agustifolia
Echinacea purpurea
Hammamelis virginiana
Herpar Sulphuris calcareum
Hypericum perforatum
Mercurius solubilis
Millefolium
Symphytum officianale

ZEEL: Degenerative conditions like arthritis, spondylitis, disc disease.
Ingredients:
Arnica montana, radix (mountain arnica)
Dulcamara (bittersweet)
Rhus toxicodendron (poison oak)
Sanguinaria canadensis (blood root)
Symphytum officinale (comfrey)
Sulphur (sulphur)
(alpha)-Lipoicum acid (thioctic acid)
Coenzyme A (coenzyme A)
Nadidum (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide)
Natrum oxalaceticum (sodium oxalacetate)
Cartilago suis (porcine cartilage)
Embryo totalis suis (porcine embryo)
Funiculus umbilicalis suis (porcine umbilical cord)
Placenta suis (porcine placenta)


Traumeel: Traumeel Oral Drops - Traumeel
Zeel: In a recent clinical study, Zeel was found to be as effective as COX 2 inhibitor. http://www.heel.com/upload/Zeel_GP_F...v2008_7313.pdf Amazon.com: Zeel, Arthritis Pain Relief Tablets: Health & Personal Care
Homeopathic's should be given away from food or water about 20-30 minutes. They can be given several times per day and even hourly in acute cases.

Moms
I have not tried homeopathic remedies. I don't know much about them for dogs. Are the items you mentioned pills or powders. Ziva is very fussy eater and doesn't like it when we add stuff to her food. I tried Nutro Silver for joint health and she will not eat if it's in her food. She won't eat it even if I make it into a gravy. I can get pills in her by putting them in peanut butter and sticking them to the roof of her mouth.
Thanks for the links, I will check them out.
I really appreciate the advise. Thanks for sharing.
12-23-2013 10:41 AM
Springbrz
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Originally Posted by Colie CVT View Post
As with others, and with where I work, I am not a fan of Deramaxx, nor will I use it again on my dogs.

Kenai, my first GSD, had a sensitive gut. Rimadyl and Previcox gave her some GI issues. After 3 doses of Deramaxx, she stopped eating and starting drinking/urinating more. When I tested her bloodwork a few days after I stopped the Deramaxx, her kidney values were increased. Thankfully a heavy hit with fluids and careful switching of foods saved her kidneys for another 3 years, but I told the company about it.

The vast majority of perforated guts we see where I work come from Deramaxx too. So it doesn't take much to not like it.

I prefer Rimadyl/carprofen and meloxicam/metacam to any other NSAID. Tramadol is nice, but it's a synthetic opioid and doesn't do much for inflammation. It covers just pain. In combo with other drugs it helps more than anything else. I also tend to like using the lower than recommended dosing personally when it comes to using Rimadyl, and only use it when you really need it.

Since your kid's a baby, things like joint supplements, fish oil, vitamin C. They could probably all help out tremendously. Kenai did wonderful for the longest time with the joint food she was on. It wasn't until 8 years old when her HD got so bad she needed a THR. Certain exercises and physiotherapy can be really helpful too with joint pain/problems.
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Originally Posted by arycrest View Post
I had one mega bad experience with Deramaxx and will NEVER use it again. Currently Tramadol has been my pain reliever of choice for the past few years.
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Originally Posted by BahCan View Post
Like Arycrest, I also had a Very Bad experience with Deramaxx and will never use it again
To all of the above, thank you for sharing your experiences with me. I'm sorry you all have had such bad things happen to your dogs.

It has made be very watchful of how Ziva is behaving. We have only given her 2 doses (50 mg. once a day). She stopped eating so we did not give her any Deramaxx last night. After the skipped dose, around 10 pm last night she finally decided to eat half her food. We do not plan to give her the remaining doses.
She seems to be feeling more like herself this morning. We are still trying to keep her from running and jumping. We are only taking very short walks to potty and keep all of us from going insane. She normally is a very active 9 mo. old. Not being allowed to play hard and go on two 1.5-2 mile walks everyday is tough for her. Her limp is improving a bit.
12-23-2013 09:38 AM
Momto2GSDs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freestep View Post
What do pig embryos, umbilical cords and placenta do to mitigate pain?
Hi Freestep!
All Homeopathic Remedies are derived from plants, animals, or minerals.


The organ extracts contained in Zeel (Cartilago suis, Funiculus umbilicalis suis)
serve as important structural material for connective tissue. Placenta suis promotes
blood flow and Embryo suis has general stimulating activity. The constituents of plant
origin (Rhus toxicodendron, Dulcamara, Sanguinaria, Symphytum, Arnica) are used
in the treatment of rheumatic diseases [5].http://www.heelusa.com/Retailers/Doc...generative.pdf


Moms
12-22-2013 10:43 AM
Freestep
Quote:
Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
Embryo totalis suis (porcine embryo)
Funiculus umbilicalis suis (porcine umbilical cord)
Placenta suis (porcine placenta)
What do pig embryos, umbilical cords and placenta do to mitigate pain?
12-22-2013 09:26 AM
huntergreen of course you can avoid the situation and use old fashioned heat and ice.
12-22-2013 05:24 AM
Momto2GSDs Have you considered a natural alternative such as the Homeopathic's Traumeel or Zeel? No side effects with these.
TRAUMEEL: Inflammation of muscles, bone, soft tissue, tendon, ligaments, nerves.
Aconitum napellus
Arnica Montana, radix
Bellis perennis
Calendula officinalis
Chamomilla
Echiacea Agustifolia
Echinacea purpurea
Hammamelis virginiana
Herpar Sulphuris calcareum
Hypericum perforatum
Mercurius solubilis
Millefolium
Symphytum officianale

ZEEL: Degenerative conditions like arthritis, spondylitis, disc disease.
Ingredients:
Arnica montana, radix (mountain arnica)
Dulcamara (bittersweet)
Rhus toxicodendron (poison oak)
Sanguinaria canadensis (blood root)
Symphytum officinale (comfrey)
Sulphur (sulphur)
(alpha)-Lipoicum acid (thioctic acid)
Coenzyme A (coenzyme A)
Nadidum (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide)
Natrum oxalaceticum (sodium oxalacetate)
Cartilago suis (porcine cartilage)
Embryo totalis suis (porcine embryo)
Funiculus umbilicalis suis (porcine umbilical cord)
Placenta suis (porcine placenta)


Traumeel: Traumeel Oral Drops - Traumeel
Zeel: In a recent clinical study, Zeel was found to be as effective as COX 2 inhibitor. http://www.heel.com/upload/Zeel_GP_F...v2008_7313.pdf
Amazon.com: Zeel, Arthritis Pain Relief Tablets: Health & Personal Care Amazon.com: Zeel, Arthritis Pain Relief Tablets: Health & Personal Care
Homeopathic's should be given away from food or water about 20-30 minutes. They can be given several times per day and even hourly in acute cases.

Moms
12-22-2013 12:05 AM
Colie CVT I'm so sorry to hear that BahCan. And for you too, arycrest. With the amount of perfs that we have seen because of the product, I know we tend to be cautious with it. I know the vets that I work with are cautious in general about the amount that they prescribe (perhaps minus the one who gave me the dose for my Kenai) and we are always very big on getting bloodwork before procedures, even with young dogs. While reactions to things are rare, we have had times when we've gone into a dog for one thing and discovered another much larger issue.

I wish you and Ziva luck. The bad things aside, I have seen dogs do just fine on it. :/ I simply cannot shake my dislike of it due to experiences and how the reps for the drug seem to act like it isn't nearly as much of an issue as we fear it may actually be.
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