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12-29-2013 02:38 PM
Heidigsd I am glad to hear that your new vet is taking this serious. I would take him to see him ASAP. Call your new vet tomorrow to see if they received the records and if not I would call the old vet immediately and request the records to be faxed over again. Or, you could just stop by the old vets office in person and get a copy of his tests/records.

Keep us posted!
12-29-2013 12:18 AM
Breitbach343 So we spoke to our new vet (who is awesome) and he told us to have our old vet fax all of Abel's papers to the office. Once they get them he will look at Abel's blood work but he did give us some info. He said the bloodwork wonít rule out cancer, and that EPI is a possibility but unlikely because of his stool. He offered to give us a stool sample kit and to bring it in within 24 hours but he said the best thing would to just bring him in as soon as we can so he could do a full exam. He said it could be his pancreas too. We called our old vet and they said they would fax his papers over to the new vet on Monday, so if they send it Monday morning we would like to take him that day but who knows because our old vet isnít the best.
12-22-2013 07:56 PM
SuperG I had an EPI GSD.....went from 84 lbs to 64lbs before they finally figured it out and I could get proactive. She gained back most of the weight but not all...stabilized at mid 70's. I used the pancreatic enzymes and they worked like a champ. I noticed Enzyme Diane mentioned and that is who I used for the enzymes....a much better deal than Panacare etc,.

EPI is a manageable health issue which shouldn't be a major issue once the diagnosis is made.

I do recall however, besides the loss of weight another symptom was very loose stools since her food was not being properly digested but do not know if this is typical of all EPI dogs before they are diagnosed.

I'll hope they figure out your pooch's situation in short order.

SuperG
12-22-2013 06:47 PM
Breitbach343
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Originally Posted by Heidigsd View Post
If this was my dog, I would request a copy of all his tests. If he doesn't have parasites or EPI then I would take him either to another vet or an Internal Medicine specialist. He lost an awful lot of weight in a short amount of time. I am not sure what switching his food is going to do. You already increased his calories and he is still losing weight. Good luck and I hope you find out what is causing him to lose so much weight.

Here is a good article:
Malabsorption Syndromes in Small Animals: Diseases of the Stomach and Intestines in Small Animals: Merck Veterinary Manual
I think thatís a great idea. We took Ridley to a different vet then we took Abel. We took Abel to the vet we've always taken him to but we were planning on making the switch for him too, just didnít happen in time for this.... Iím gonna call the Abel's vet and request a copy of this test, ill also ask what they tested for.


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I'd probably want to home cook for a dog that's dropping weight this profoundly on commercial food, to see if it made a difference. If that's not an option, maybe try a dehydrated or freeze dried food (Stella & Chewy, Honest Kitchen, etc.). I don't think I'd use another kibble right now. I'd also add a digestive enzyme to any food, while waiting for results -- it doesn't hurt healthy dogs, it benefits lots of sick dogs, and if it turns out to be EPI, it really benefits.

As a supplement (not a meal replacement), I feed sick foster dogs needing significant weight gain these satin balls (but unilike the recipe, I bake them in the oven, covered, at around 350, since most of the dogs I foster come to me already sick and/or immune compromised, so raw isn't an option, but home-cooked works great for them):
Dog Treat Recipes
Thatís another really good idea. Iíll look into enzymes, and also into cooking or dehydrated food. It really scares me to see him like this and i was a little curious how changing his diet to another kibble would help. He's eaten the same kibble since he grew out of his puppy food. Never had a problem with it, i donít want to try stuff that MIGHT work, i want to know whatís wrong and fix it. We did bloodwork, urine sample and exams on Abel and the vet said they found nothing. Either they didnít really look too hard or he doesnít know what he's doing. He didnít say anything other than "well everything looks good, try switching his food and we'll check on him in a month".... A MONTH!?!?! Abel has already lost 20LBS in 3 weeks, and you wanna wait a month and another 20LBS before anther exam? He's lucky he called my wife and not me, like i said above, we're switching Abel to our other vet who actually seem to know what they're doing because I canít sit by while my dog waists away. He sleeps all day, doesnít get up to go outside without me forcing him, when he does play with Ridley I can tell itís a lot of work for him, the only time he acts normal is when I feed himÖ. Thanks for all the advice everyone, Iíll keep you updatedÖ
12-22-2013 04:06 PM
huntergreen thank you selzer.
12-22-2013 02:21 PM
selzer
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is EPI common in great danes? tks
Yes, according to Enzyme Diane, they are on the list. I am not sure if it is common in the breed, but it occurs in the breed.

Known EPI Infected Breeds -

Lots of good info on this site. Also, she can sell you enzymes cheaper than your vet, probably, if you need them.

If the dog has the problem, by applying the enzymes and letting them sit on the food, it will put weight back on the dog. My first EPI dog was diagnosed in July, so I really do not know how difficult overall the problem is to manage. For me it just means applying enzymes to the food and warm water and letting it sit for 20 minutes. But SIBO and vitamin be deficiencies often go hand in hand, so if the dog seems to start losing condition, more bloodwork will be needed and treatment for those things which can mean other supplements, or shots for the vitamins.

Good luck. I hope you get your boy figured out.
12-22-2013 11:31 AM
Heidigsd
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Originally Posted by Breitbach343 View Post
I dont know for sure if he was tested for EPI. My wife got the call but im going to call the vet on monday and ask him what test they tested for. I do know they sent his blood to an outside lab but not sure what one.
If this was my dog, I would request a copy of all his tests. If he doesn't have parasites or EPI then I would take him either to another vet or an Internal Medicine specialist. He lost an awful lot of weight in a short amount of time. I am not sure what switching his food is going to do. You already increased his calories and he is still losing weight. Good luck and I hope you find out what is causing him to lose so much weight.

Here is a good article:
Malabsorption Syndromes in Small Animals: Diseases of the Stomach and Intestines in Small Animals: Merck Veterinary Manual
12-22-2013 10:29 AM
huntergreen
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
I would fast him and have them do bloodwork for EPI. Take a stool sample so they can look for parasites.
is EPI common in great danes? tks
12-22-2013 10:18 AM
Magwart I'd probably want to home cook for a dog that's dropping weight this profoundly on commercial food, to see if it made a difference. If that's not an option, maybe try a dehydrated or freeze dried food (Stella & Chewy, Honest Kitchen, etc.). I don't think I'd use another kibble right now. I'd also add a digestive enzyme to any food, while waiting for results -- it doesn't hurt healthy dogs, it benefits lots of sick dogs, and if it turns out to be EPI, it really benefits.

As a supplement (not a meal replacement), I feed sick foster dogs needing significant weight gain these satin balls (but unilike the recipe, I bake them in the oven, covered, at around 350, since most of the dogs I foster come to me already sick and/or immune compromised, so raw isn't an option, but home-cooked works great for them):
Dog Treat Recipes
12-21-2013 08:58 PM
Breitbach343
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Originally Posted by Heidigsd View Post
So sorry that Abel is not well. Do you know if your vet actually tested him for EPI and what the result was? That is usually a test that is send off to an outside lab, like Texas A&M.
I dont know for sure if he was tested for EPI. My wife got the call but im going to call the vet on monday and ask him what test they tested for. I do know they sent his blood to an outside lab but not sure what one.
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