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01-03-2014 03:08 AM
FortheLoveofChari
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
I agree with this. If these were bitches, than it would be all over. We would be talking musical crates forever. And rehoming one would be the thing to do. Females will remember and wait for an opportunity, and strike fast, and they will play for keeps. Dogs, well, the are loud and squack, but usually they will not kill each other (don't count on that here though), and they can usually get over a spat.
As I had said in a post before, I eluded to a fight between my Klondike and Chari. Both females and it was Klondike my border collie mix who was the aggressor. She was a resource guarder. It takes time, vigilance, and patience with a firm hand (not agressive, just firm) to work through fighting. There can even be redirecting, and as stelzer said...females play for keeps.

I was lucky in the instance that Chari had no qualms and had no desire to fight back. It was all Klondike.

I would recruit a behaviorist before taking the dog back to the pound, or even as Stelzer mentioned, see if the a rescue has resources to help fix this behavior.

It will take time, patience, and being firm. You need to establish yourself as a calm direct leader. And don't leave them unsupervised, especially when you know there is resource guarding issues. That was a trigger waiting to go off to be honest.
12-24-2013 09:44 AM
misslesleedavis1
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Originally Posted by PhoenixGuardian View Post
It sounds to me like you handled it well. One way that I have found that works well for breaking up fights is to (like you did) get your hands on the top dog and shake them around until they drop the other, then back away quick. And fights can be caused by just about anything, somebody had a toy, food, a comfy place, heck, even one looked at the other funny or had their tail up at the wrong time. Are they both fixed? Is one fixed? If not and it is an option, you can fix the lower ranking dog, which may help if you are afraid this will be a recurring issue. Dog fights aren't pretty. They can be downright scary. You just have to be careful that you don't get bitten as well, and be sure to check both dogs over well (including ears and mouths) when everyone has calmed down.
A fight between two dogs very rarely ends with them wanting to kill one another, unless they are trained for fighting (which no dog should be). It is just a way of showing who is on top at that moment, though things can change. Of course, if it is a little dog, obviously there will be a big problem, but if it is a fight between two bigger dogs, there is a less likely chance of injury. Dogs almost always go for neck holds. It is there that they can ride the other dog down and hold them. The dog who has been put into the hold will bite and snap at anything they think they can get their jaws on. They are nothing to mess around with.
It sounds to me like you did fine, but did you notice any clues after the fight was over? I know you said you walked in on the fight, but were their any toys, food, spots that looked like they could cause a fight? If yes, you can most likely remove the cause and everything will be fine, you may just have to monitor toys and food. If not, you may have a challenged, and challenger, which won't be resolved because we humans step in to finish it (which is what we should do!). The dog that was being beaten will still probably get whooped as soon as you leave. Think of it like children, when mommy's around, fine I'll leave you alone, but only 'cause she's here.
Well, those are my thoughts
Good luck! I know how scary this can be!
I found the coveted brick that they both love. Dexter pulled it out of the garden 1 summer ago and its been like solid gold to them. I have put that thing in the garbage many many times only to discover that its been pulled out and put back in the yard. The whole bloody fight was most likely started by a silly old brick.
12-24-2013 09:41 AM
misslesleedavis1
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Originally Posted by Cheyanna View Post
This thread scares me. Fiona is my dog and my mom moved in with Fiona's sister from the same litter. Things were great for awhile. Then one day FIGHT! No damage done, but both my mom and I were only 3 feet away. Fiona is off at training camp. I have had kennels installed for each dog. Neither dog has been fixed ... Yet. I am worried that when Fiona comes home I am going to feel like a ref at a hockey game.

So I can understand your being leery of the boys being together. I wonder if they will feed off your tension and fear of the next fight. If you figure out how to not feel that tension and fear, please tell me how.


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I was not around for the fight, i walked by my sliding glass door and saw the little one being shaken and dragged around. I noticed today that when the big shep comes up to my little BC he has a very tail up "im the boss " walk, and dexter who luckily is really really smart sticks his head in the other direction and looks down at the ground. I think that my cocky little border collie MAY have started it..but ya know, my big shep clearly finished it. Dexter may have learned a valuable lesson. I think that they will always need to be watched but i know dex is not about to do anything stupid. Tension and fear are terrible things to feel, especially when your fear could set them off again, my advice to that is lorazapam haha no seriously though just take deep breaths and think positive thoughts
12-24-2013 06:44 AM
PhoenixGuardian Just saw your other post, and awesome!
12-24-2013 06:43 AM
PhoenixGuardian It sounds to me like you handled it well. One way that I have found that works well for breaking up fights is to (like you did) get your hands on the top dog and shake them around until they drop the other, then back away quick. And fights can be caused by just about anything, somebody had a toy, food, a comfy place, heck, even one looked at the other funny or had their tail up at the wrong time. Are they both fixed? Is one fixed? If not and it is an option, you can fix the lower ranking dog, which may help if you are afraid this will be a recurring issue. Dog fights aren't pretty. They can be downright scary. You just have to be careful that you don't get bitten as well, and be sure to check both dogs over well (including ears and mouths) when everyone has calmed down.
A fight between two dogs very rarely ends with them wanting to kill one another, unless they are trained for fighting (which no dog should be). It is just a way of showing who is on top at that moment, though things can change. Of course, if it is a little dog, obviously there will be a big problem, but if it is a fight between two bigger dogs, there is a less likely chance of injury. Dogs almost always go for neck holds. It is there that they can ride the other dog down and hold them. The dog who has been put into the hold will bite and snap at anything they think they can get their jaws on. They are nothing to mess around with.
It sounds to me like you did fine, but did you notice any clues after the fight was over? I know you said you walked in on the fight, but were their any toys, food, spots that looked like they could cause a fight? If yes, you can most likely remove the cause and everything will be fine, you may just have to monitor toys and food. If not, you may have a challenged, and challenger, which won't be resolved because we humans step in to finish it (which is what we should do!). The dog that was being beaten will still probably get whooped as soon as you leave. Think of it like children, when mommy's around, fine I'll leave you alone, but only 'cause she's here.
Well, those are my thoughts
Good luck! I know how scary this can be!
12-24-2013 02:08 AM
Cheyanna This thread scares me. Fiona is my dog and my mom moved in with Fiona's sister from the same litter. Things were great for awhile. Then one day FIGHT! No damage done, but both my mom and I were only 3 feet away. Fiona is off at training camp. I have had kennels installed for each dog. Neither dog has been fixed ... Yet. I am worried that when Fiona comes home I am going to feel like a ref at a hockey game.

So I can understand your being leery of the boys being together. I wonder if they will feed off your tension and fear of the next fight. If you figure out how to not feel that tension and fear, please tell me how.


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12-23-2013 08:55 PM
misslesleedavis1 Very happy to report that there have been no fights!! no attempt to fight....no awkward moments of weirdness! nothing! i have been super woman making sure these two spend no unsupervised time alone and then it all got blown away when the oldest left them in the car together..after knowing about the fight and all ( im still mad at him about that) but no fighting. So, off to training in the new year we go! and with close supervision these dudes will be peachy.
12-20-2013 10:31 PM
selzer Your dog may be settling in, and showing his true colors now. Maybe he can be straightened out with strong, consistent, fair leadership and management, and maybe he cannot be.

I feel awful for you. And I feel awful for the lady whose dog just bit the trainer, albeit she had the dog a tad longer than you have. There are similarities here. One is that both rescues made some rather questionable placements with dogs that were not ready or didn't disclose everything honestly about the dogs.

And now you, both of you, are at least somewhat committed to dogs that may present some serious liabilities. And this gives a poor reflection to rescues which shouldn't be the case. Lots of dogs come from rescues and even shelters without this kind of thing happening.

I see a goodly amount of work before the pair of you. It is not you or her fault. With you, I think you have a decision. You've had the dog for 3 weeks, not two years. And if it is not fitting with your other dog, and now growling at your niece -- that had to be fun driving with a dog growling at a guest in your car. I hope he was crated.

This is the dog that killed the cat? A dog might kill a cat. It doesn't necessarily mean the dog has a character flaw. The attack on your dog might have been from the border collie stare thing, yes. And the dog may still have a heightened level of stress/adrenalin whatever from the fight.

Or the dog is showing you some of who he is, now that he is settling into his new situation. Personally, if you can work with your rescue to find him another placement, I would understand. Pets should lower your bloodpressure, not raise it. Not everyone is the right person to take on a dog with serious baggage. I can't be sure yours has serious baggage, but it is not always heroic to plod on with a dog that is "more than I ever thought I could chew." Sometimes, while it may mean giving up on a critter, it is better to understand our own abilities and accept it that this dog might not be right for your situation and experience level.

If you are still game, then I hope you can find a good trainer, and that you can turn him around, and he becomes and awesome pet for you.

I am sorry you are going through this.
12-20-2013 09:04 PM
misslesleedavis1
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
How's your finger doing? How did you manage to break it? Ouch! Poor you!
Its okay, nothing that wont fix itself , i think i bit off more then i ever thought i could chew with this boy. I took him on a nice long drive tonight to pick up my neice tonight, she got in the car and he barked and growled at her half the way home. I think he is may be a nervous type of boy...this is going to be one **** of a mission.
12-20-2013 08:32 PM
marbury Just re-read this and it sounds horrible, sorry! It was supposed to be funny/laughing. Basically, if I end up with a blood bath I'll be the first to prostrate myself here and feel horrible. But it is possible to have peace!
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