|12-19-2013 11:24 AM|
|Msmaria||So sorry for what your going through. Like u there are alot of people who just dont know about all the issues with byb puppies. Thats why sites like this are important to help spread the word. My pup also had dermodetic mange and like othets have said it can be common in young dogs. We also have hd issues showing at 4 or 5 months and confirmed at 6 months. I followed advice here and we are doing ok. Hes 11 months and has been hiking this past week with us in Sedona with no need for pain pills and would go 24 7 if we let him. Thete is alot of good advice here on supplements and surgery if needed. Also advice about testicles. You are in the right place. Try yo relax and take each issue a day at a time. Im so glad ur not getting rid of ur guy just because of his issues.|
|12-19-2013 10:10 AM|
|***Beth***||I've fed my dog Orijen Large breed puppy chow the whole time I've had my dog. My housemates have 3 adult dogs of their own, they tend to feed their dogs whatever is cheap. The first week I had my dog, we caught him getting into their food when they didn't finish it all, so they switched their dogs to Iams large breed puppy food so it would be less of an issue if he got into it.|
|12-19-2013 10:03 AM|
|carmspack||so is it Iams because you switched over?|
|12-19-2013 09:57 AM|
|***Beth***||Orijen large breed puppy chow. My housemates feed Iams large breed chow to their dogs - switched over when I got my puppy because my pup sometimes grazes their food when I'm not looking and they don't want to go expensive on food. He also gets Charlie Bear treats and sometimes the jerky treats when I'm working with him.|
|12-19-2013 09:48 AM|
|carmspack||what is your basic diet .|
|12-19-2013 09:23 AM|
|***Beth***||The xrays were taken yesterday by the doctor that I took him to for a second opinion. They have been sent out by the Vet for an expert to read. From what the Vet saw though, she doesn't think his issues are skeletal but may be muscular. I'll know for sure in a day or two when the evaluation comes back. I'll post pictures of the xray by this weekend. Thanks for all the input, I am looking for the best supplements to start him on now to help prevent issues from starting.|
|12-16-2013 04:25 PM|
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|12-16-2013 04:13 PM|
I agree with Carmen's post.
I want to add that most puppies/dogs have demodex. These little guys are passed from the dam to her puppies while she is lactating, but is otherwise not contagious to other dogs. They do not cause any problems whatsoever. Except when the immune system is suppressed for some reason. In puppies, this can be that the puppy is simply immature, when it catches up the demodex mites cause no further problems. In adult dogs, this can be indicative of other problems, and the battles with the symptom can be painful (for the owner) if nothing is done about the source of the problem.
Demodex is different from sarcoptic mange in that it in itself is not terribly itchy. The hair will start to fall out leaving patches of unprotected skin (the double coat protects the dog from heat/sun as well as from the cold), and if the dog does start scratching at irritation, a secondary infection, usually staph can set in and cause itching, pain, etc.
Because we are dealing with an immune system, harsh insecticide - shampoos, etc, can actually cause problems. Usually if the problem is localized, it will go away with or without treatment within six weeks (puppies -- the immune system catches up, or stress -- the stress is removed and the dog's immune system snaps back and gets the buggers under control). If the problem is generalized usually more aggressive treatment is indicated. But definitely using a holistic approach to build the immune system, protect the skin from elements and infection, and get rid of the mites works best.
I have heard that bag balm is helpful, though I haven't tried it for any demodex issues.
As for the HD, the symptoms you are describing are significant. The dog needs x-rays. Then decisions can be made with a diagnoses. There are other possiblities. Wobbler's syndrome (don't know much about that), and DM, thought that is unlikely to show pain, and the puppy is very young for that. It could be a couple of things, like loosey goosey puppy with pano, but I don't like the falling. Please let us know what the vet says on the x-rays. Someone posted a set of really painful x-rays a while back. If this is HD, then he most likely has a severe case.
HD can come from good breeders and so can demodex issues. Good breeders do their best to reduce the liklihood of the problem by their breeding choices, and the start they give the puppies. But it can still happen. Don't beat up breeders on the whole. You may as well beat up God for allowing a world where there is disease. You should let them know, but don't expect them to thank you for it, then you won't be disappointed.
I am sorry you are having this problem, I hope that the x-rays give you the answers you need, and that you can treat this.
|12-16-2013 02:41 PM|
|12-16-2013 02:36 PM|
My current dog, Rafi, came to me with HD, a bad shoulder and demodex. He is now 7.5 and doing great. There is a sticky in the Holistic section of this board on demodex that is collected from my query about treating Rafi. The treatment I did for mange was successful (boosted his immune system and sprayed NEEM Protect spray on the spots -- not eyes though!). He did have one reoccurrence but that was it.
My first gsd was diagnosed with severe bilateral HD at under a year old (by x-ray) so I knowingly took on a dog with suspected HD. It is not a death sentence and, in fact, can have very little impact on their quality of life if managed creatively. My first dog did have surgery but since then I've learned a lot.
Rafi gets a lot of low-impact exercise and many different supplements and is doing great in terms of mobility and pain management. He also gets acupuncture every few months. I have had two vets tell me recently that he doesn't need surgery which is pretty remarkable considering that he was a wobbly, clicking mess when I first adopted him. He does self limit and will rest when we are out for hours at a time but he can still handle many hours of exercise, even in deep snow.
And on an unrelated note: I don't know why people feel compelled to comment on threads when they have nothing to offer. This is not a thread about BYBs! It is in the Health Issues section and is about health issues. Why clutter it up with unrelated back and forth posts about another topic? <Mini-rant off>
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