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12-30-2013 01:12 AM
DaniFani Little Update:

YoJo is doing great. I think I've found a nice balance between house dog and sport dog so far. I'm maintaining drives by playing tug every other day(he loves tug, maintains a grip for EVER), lots of exposure to new things, and we started tracking (LOVE tracking!). Not doing much obedience other than really basic stuff. He's super athletic and jumps around like a mad man on everything he can climb on and jump off. When he runs it's half run half gallop/jumping lol.

Tracking is going awesome. It's amazing how fast they learn in tracking. He's on his third track, and he did the whole thing with nose down, checking every footstep. I need to get video this weekend, I always forget. We are on 25 steps. Don't do the whole huge scent pad circle thing. He gets footsteps right away after a tiny one foot by one foot scent pad. Food at the top of every footstep (stuck a little into the ground so he can't use eyes down the track), little check if he lifts his head or skips a piece of food. I couldn't believe how quickly he picked up the forward movement=treats. He has to pick up every piece of food, which quickly translates to the need to check every footstep.

Over time we add serpentines (when we have consistent forward movement), start laying less bait, and then do articles, and then corners. With each track getting longer and longer. In the last year I've watched four dogs titled using this method, every one with 98-100 in tracking. I've also met other dogs that were titled with the same high scores using the method (both in AKC tracking and IPO). Seems to work pretty well, and the dogs/handlers seem to have fun. :-)

Tracking is right up there with bitework on my "fun scale." I think it's because it's all I could really focus on with my last dog because he couldn't really cut it in bitework, but excelled in tracking. Also, it's something my TD starts with the pups when they are really little, so it's the one thing I CAN do right away lol. Someday I'd LOVE to get an FH. Dream big, right?! ;-)

He's doing great with exposure to new things. He sits so nicely when new people want to pet him, jumps all over those he knows. :-) He's getting bigger, and it's so neat to see his world and knowledge growing.

Here's a few pics from his first hike. He loved it.
12-16-2013 10:50 AM
carmspack congratulations , sounds like a good dog , nice pedigree also.
Packen "When you have super solid engagement (a few months of work) only then start shaping OB with no verbal command (sit, down and stand), then introduce verbal commands when pup is offering behavior and reduce body cues till he begins to understand verbal only. Everything is fun and play" AGREE . This is what I do , can go the whole day without saying a word -- dogs are non-verbal non-linguistic . This makes them watch you . Won't work if you have a detached dog . Has to be handler interest which you will spike and make very worthwhile . I don't do the operant conditioning with food . More of a social , co-operative advantage , which is mutual. Too much chatter and "noise" . I constantly shush people -- observe as young dog problem solves without jumping in there and doing the work for them.
The pup is very handsome . Looking forward to reading more about him.
12-16-2013 09:23 AM
Wolfenstein This is so awesome to read about, and I'm looking forward to your experiences as your dog grows up! When we eventually get our pup, I'm going to be in the same boat as you, haha! I really want to get into SchH, but way too overly nervous that I'm going to screw up something from the get go and my newbie handling is going to limit my dog's potential. I'm really glad to hear you having a good experience, because after doing tons of research, I'm hoping to get a puppy that also has such a great start to life thanks to the breeder's efforts. Please keep posting as you go along!
12-14-2013 08:31 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Thanks for the pedigree, especially like the sire .
12-14-2013 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Packen View Post
Pretty cool and good advice from your TD. Build engagement using reward and lack of reward, nothing else. When you have super solid engagement (a few months of work) only then start shaping OB with no verbal command (sit, down and stand), then introduce verbal commands when pup is offering behavior and reduce body cues till he begins to understand verbal only. Everything is fun and play, if you start losing engagement that means there needs to be more play. Looking forward to hearing updates.
Thanks for the advice, Packen. What's the thought behind no verbal markers at first? The only reason I started the obedience is because he started offering behaviors for treats. So I say the command once (now he jumps into a sit), wait for the butt to hit ground, and immediately mark it with release of treat (hand to mouth) and command. Same thing with the down, only it takes him a little longer sometimes to get the butt all the way down...he does the puppy, butt in the air, front paws down, and then drops butt. He's starting to jump into the down from the sit, I'd say about 50% of the time. Then we do a couple of "puppy pushups" and done. Short and sweet, tug and play happens more than OB. Obedience is usually only once, maybe twice a day, for a few mins at a time. Play is 2/3 times, as well as his walk and whatever "exposure" we Home Depot, Downtown walk, markets, beach, etc.... I can't wait for him to be mature so he can start running with me. I ran the rottie I was training, and I miss my jogging-companion.

It's nerve wracking starting with a puppy. My late GSD didn't start SchH until he was 5/6 months old, and the rottie I trained was over a year when I got her. I haven't done the foundation stuff with itty bitty puppy, and I'm always thinking, "don't create conflict, don't screw up!" lol!
12-14-2013 12:48 AM
DaniFani Thanks everyone! Merciel, yeah..I just hope my fumbling handling doesn't ruin him!! lol

Blitz, pedigree below :-).

Father: Gun Vom Weinbergblick

Gun vom Weinbergblick ? working-dog

Mothers: (This is actually her littermate's pedigree, mother isn't on the database)

Quack von der Ernetranch ? working-dog

Missing in the mother's pedigree is

Freija Vom Klostersee: SchH 2, IPO 1, HD normal

and her parents are:

Quasy von der bosen nachbarschaft: SchH 3(V-WUSV-WM) , FH 2 HD normal

Aloxa Vom Bruckfeld SchH3 HD normal

Both Dam's parents are SchH3 and HD normal, title and health test just not listed on workingdog.

I tried to just attach the scanned German pedigree, but it keeps saying it's too large. Any way to shrink it? Otherwise I can email it to anyone that just loves looking at pedigrees. :-)
12-14-2013 12:25 AM
Blitzkrieg1 Happy for you, he sounds like an easy keeper. Whats the pedigree if you dont mind my asking?
12-13-2013 10:44 PM
Merciel Man, I am so jealous.

That is one CUTE puppy, and sounds like a rockstar in the making.
12-13-2013 10:29 PM
boomer11 congrats on a stable dog. they are so much more enjoyable then a nervy one. less time managing and more time enjoying the dog.
12-13-2013 09:52 PM
JanaeUlva Congrats and super nice pup! Sounds like you have a good plan and it's already working out. Nice

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