|12-16-2013 09:26 AM|
|cliffson1||Your perspective breeder is an excellent resource for most of the questions you are asking....if you plan to get one of her dogs, I would use her extensively in getting off the ground and going in right direction.|
|12-15-2013 06:09 PM|
By the way, to the OP, I'm not trying to discourage you from trying, it's just something to think about, that some trainers don't want you treating the dog like a pet, so depending on why you are getting the dog, it may or may not not be how you want to manage it.
When I was taking my dog to schutzhund, it was such a relief to have people who knew about handing this type of a dog, as opposed to pet obedience people who want a dog who's more easy going, I suppose.
I do agree with Carmspack that a GSD is naturally protective of the home. Even though my GSD isn't trained in PP, she is wonderful about alerting to strangers approaching the house, and I've had a couple of occasions when out for a walk where we were surprised by someone acting strangely and she had a big deep, serious bark, so they do have an uncanny ability to evaluate people's behaviour and whether they are giving off a bad vibe. I do think most GSD's will naturally give you some sense of security. If nothing else, they are a good deterrent, and that is far better protection than any gun IMO.
For schutzhund, be prepared for a TON of training. It was too much for me, with a farm to manage and horses to train at home, remember there is tracking, obedience and protection and all three components require a lot of work. But I really admire the well trained schutzhund dogs and I enjoy the people there who 'get' these types of strong working breeds. I can't tell you how many dirty looks I got at my pet obedeince place with my sassy WL GSD Even though I no longer train at schutzhund, I still go out when they have training days to watch and I go to the trials every fall to cheer people on, so it's not been a waste of time by any means.
Good luck in your search! Get some idea's about good breeders and advice on pedigree's from the people here, and I'm not sure, but getting a dog for PP and for schutz, there might be some differences in what they are looking for so figure out what you want to do first. I wish I'd found this forum before I got my dog. I love her, but I think she would have been better for an experienced schutzhund handler, and not a pet owner, but she's still my big love bug and I can't imagine not having her in my life now.
|12-15-2013 01:19 PM|
|carmspack||personal protection dogs are born , not made . They either have it or they do not. Getting the right , bomb proof , stable confident dog with handler/family attachment (bond) is all important . Dog will act upon its inherent instinct ---|
|12-15-2013 01:14 PM|
Here's the thing...at BEST with a high level of commitment to training your dog will be ready to "defend" at 2 years old. So for the next two years, you won't have that peace of mind you're looking for. I'm not questioning your reasons, or judging you in any negative way for wanting a PPD. I just understand the type of work it takes, and the amount of money it takes, and personally I think there are much more cost effective and physically effective ways of keeping yourself and your property safe.
I really just like to figure out why people feel they need one, more to understand their point of view than to change it. I just like to learn about other people's life situations and experience that have led them to come to that decision. So hopefully you're not too angry at my questioning.
IMO...if I'm going to be spending thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to train a dog, its almost easier to move if I don't feel that safe in the current area I live in. And then, like boomer mentioned...you're going to have a HUGE liability on your hands. If your dog ever does something to a person that's not a threat, I can almost guarantee you that you're going to lose your house. There's a reason why PPD isn't a huge business in the United States and why you don't see them that often (I've actually never run across one). Legally, you're toeing a very fine line once you start your dog in any kind of bite work training.
|12-15-2013 03:49 AM|
The only thing I can say is I know my fiance is a very level headed person, he's trains in high stress situations to learn and maintain a level head if anything comes about that requires him to draw.
As he has said MANY times, "He rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it."
|12-15-2013 03:47 AM|
|FortheLoveofChari||Thank you for that Carm, exactly.|
|12-14-2013 06:29 PM|
a dog will alert you -- a gun will not
a dog will work when you are not at home , a gun will not
a dog will work when you are asleep , a gun will not
the dog can (SHOULD) be controlled by a level head -- once the gun comes out there is no more level head to deal with
a dog can prevent , stop an action without fatality -- a gun , why would you bring it out unless you mean business
|12-14-2013 02:24 PM|
That was what I was thinking, PPD, will not be the right route. SchH is, and my fiance does have a gun that would be easy to access, it is also why I want to train. A trained dog would know to back off on command so I would not worry if I need to resort to firing a weapon. I am just not comfortable with guns as my fiance is. I have thought through many scenarios and exit strategies. Also I have been in two situations (not at this house) where there was a threat. One was when I did have Chari and someone waltzed right in, she quickly detered him out of my place. I was scared and rightly so, once I got my nerve I ran to the window to see the person. He was hightailing it away.
She or he will be a big part of the family. That is my intentions, I just was worried that I would 'soften' the dog, or would it just create a stronger bond. I'm aware that anything that includes the prospective dog will create a bond, but to me I feel like SchH would include an intense bond. The look in the dogs eyes when they're doing the obedience part is a bond I want.
Chari had that a little with me, and it was great. She knew I had her back and in turn she had mine...that was what I want again. A bond that is full of trust from one another.
|12-14-2013 02:07 PM|
My house got broken into twice and I got a dog with a pedigree for pp in mind. After thinking hard about it I decided against it as the liability is too high. If a dog sees a percieved threat it's not going to bite and let go and scare the threat away. It's going to try to inflict as much damage as possible and take the threat down.
A territorial Shepherd should be enough to keep intruders away. If they hear a big gsd with its deep bark and break in anyways then they will have a weapon and no dog is going to save you in that scenario. If you live in a high crime neighborhood you should have a gun with easy access to begin with.
Also with a ppd there is lifetime maintainence. Those were the reasons I decided to do schutzhund over trying to train a ppd. Not to mention it's very hard to find someone who actually has trained some pp dogs for real work.
|12-14-2013 09:18 AM|
|carmspack||any work with the dog helps create a bond . You asked can a sch h , or ppd dog live with you in your house , be part of your family. I would say it is particularly important that a dog intended for PPD be part of the family, learn how to read "us" , feel like a member , work as partners . Humans have a lot of emotional exchanges . The dog will live and learn , get feedback on his reactions and fine tune it for acting appropriately if and when necessary. Find the dog that is right for you . Rock solid pup. Not the one that may catch your eye because he looks all firey and spirited . Not necessary for PPD . The dog I would pick to raise for an active sports star , and the dog I would pick for the semi-retired executive would be different but at the base must be the same in being Rock solid , no issues, bomb proof --- and a dog that has interest in connecting with you. Take the young prospect pup plunk him on the ground and walk . Does the dog have attachment or does he run off in his own world . Off lead . You want the dog to trust you , and in turn you will need to trust the dog . This gives you freedom of actions .|
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