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12-13-2013 02:17 AM
OriginalWacky As somebody who has had a whole lot of dogs in my life, mostly rescues but also purebreds from breeders (and yes, I got my first purebred from a pet store, but I've learned since then)... I haven't found that one way of getting a dog is definitely better than another. But I have seen stats that lead me to believe that it's not really going to make a difference to the whole 'overpopulation' thing whether or not I buy from a responsible breeder.

The most recent stats I've seen are thus: "In the United states, there are over 23 million people who are going to get an animal next year. Some are already committed to adopting from a shelter and will already do so. Some are already committed to getting one from a breeder or other commercial source. But 17 million have not decided where that animal will come from and research shows they can be influenced to adopt from a shelteróthatís 17 million people potentially vying for roughly 4 million animals (the number of animals that are killed in our nationís shelters)". Soooo, am I *REALLY* sentencing an animal to death if I buy from a good breeder? Nope.

Usually, if anybody tries to beat me over the head about buying a dog, I'll just tell them that I'm looking for very specific things in my dog, so I'm 'stacking the deck' in my favor by getting a dog with known bloodlines that will likely fit my criteria. Beyond that, I pretty much ignore them.
12-12-2013 02:04 AM
FortheLoveofChari There are a lot of good responses, and along with some of the people here, if shelters want people to rescue maybe they should make it just a little more accessible!

Before Andy (my fiance) and I settled on going to a breeder we went down to our county shelter and looked around. None really popped at me, though I did almost want the shepherd mix but the way he lunged at my Fiance and the look he gave me it was a no. I'm sure he was just cage aggressive but should we take a chance and risk our current dog and our cats lives? So we looked some more and saw a dog that seemed to fit. A bully mix, not the dog I wanted, nor desired, but he seemed to fit, he was cute enough for me to warm up to. We go to the desk, stand behind this woman who filled out paper work and got approval. The lady said she would have to complete a full course of obedience before she was allowed to take the dog home, she said 'I'm a certified dog trainer, he will be in classes at my club with me' They said 'no they are held here, and you have to take them' They lady was pissed but obliged and was going through it. Then we got up there and asked about the dog we were interested in, they said he had a home. I was confused, the dog was right there still there, and all we asked was if we could see him, nothing more. I was shocked, they weren't at all friendly, weren't even interested in asking us if there was another dog we could look at or anything. Short and not at all personal. It felt cold and unwelcoming. We even looked at purebred shelters for gsd's...but again nothing fit the mold.

This is the first time I've got to a breeder in my life and I can tell you all my dogs were mutts except Chari. I don't care what people say about purebreds, they aren't any crazier or looney than mutts.

As far as I'm concerned I agree with a lot of statements made about shelters. If people would be more responsible and take ownership of what they create and take on shelters wouldn't be necessary! I didn't put any dog or cat there, nor will I ever! I don't intend to breed and so I spay and neuter at a reasonable time. I leave the breeding up to the professionals and scream at the idiot who just willy nilly lets their dog screw about and have puppies. It's those people who they should be shaming not the responsible owners and breeders.

pseudoswearing removed those facebook idiots. They don't know you!

(*sigh* :3 My rant over!)
12-12-2013 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by JeanKBBMMMAAN View Post
Eta: I've personally adopted 2 dogs who have gone on to become therapy dogs and am working on my third for that job now. I've also adopted out mostly to pet homes but have had fosters who have been therapy dogs, and a dog doing flyball, agility and therapy work. They definitely are not all dogs with issues, and the issues seen are often not seen once placed in the right home, just like any other dog.
So far the best dog I've had was a stray rescue. She was a therapy dog, Dog Scout, did agility, carting, some freestyle and did well at almost every other sport we got to try (we tried a lot of different ones since we did Dog Scouts and dog camp). She was shy when I got her but we worked through it quickly and she got over it 100% and became very confident.

My first GSD from a good breeder (I got her from her previous owner as an adult) had a lot more lasting issues than my rescue had. If not for those she would also have been a therapy dog, we did finally pass the test after a lot of work but she didn't get a chance to volunteer. She also did well at almost every sport we tried although we didn't do as much with sports since she had reactivity issues.

I had good experiences with rescue groups so far as far as their responses, but the dogs I fostered for them did not end up bring good matches for me so I haven't adopted any from them, my dogs have mostly been rehomed or abandoned dogs.

That said I plan to get my next couple dogs from a breeder, mostly for health reasons and because I have purposes in mind for them, and also because I am planning to get specific breeds that don't show up in rescue very often.
12-10-2013 08:37 PM
Kaimeju If you think about the reasons that dogs end up in animal shelters in the first place, they have nothing to do with responsible breeders anyway.

Stray? That dog had a home, somebody failed to keep them in it, or abandoned them.

Feral? You could argue that the wild is its home (and I don't know about you, but I haven't ever seen a feral dog in the states.)

The other reasons tend to be about society being very un-dog-friendly, or people having difficult life circumstances. The remaining reasons could be fixed with better access to training and behavior modification (or educating people not to get a dog in the first place if they don't have the time for it).

I know there are backyard breeders who will dump an unwanted litter or pregnant mother at the shelter. That's horrible and should be prevented. But the numbers about where people actually get their dogs from don't support the idea that there is an epidemic of purebred dog breeders out there flooding the market with homeless dogs.

For some reason, breeders bear the brunt of the attack when the real problem is that it is just very difficult to keep all of the existing dogs in their current homes, and not everyone spays and neuters yet who should. I'm sure the bred dogs on this forum comprise such a tiny percentage of the total canine population that it wouldn't make much of a difference if their people chose to adopt instead.
12-10-2013 06:51 PM
Merciel I actually don't encounter many people who are "strongly against all breeders."

If I did I would laugh heartily.

edit: because I can beat just about anybody on rescue bonafides, so please. yes. lecture me. go riiiight ahead with that.
12-10-2013 06:38 PM
sarah1366 I think in the end we all have our preferences I've had shepherds from both breeders and also spent 90 percent my life rescuing in 30 years of having gsds the saddest thing I see is gsd with there backs so bent that shepherds end up with hip problems leg problems the breeding certainly not changed for the good of the breed I was brought up to believe these dogs were strong powerful graceful and beauty second to none I've had best both worlds from a breeder whose breeding was based on uran von wields tiger land her temperament was second to none she was big beautifull couldn't be faulted and had dogs from someone who just decided have litter he I still have and no regrets then rescued many that was ill treated but in the end yes breeders do need be careful where there pups end up in the same instance puppy mills need to be done away with but also kennel club needs take responsibility too cause breeding guide lines are now seen to be causing health issues to so many breeds that it's detrimental to that breed

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12-10-2013 06:20 PM
Rbeckett Ignore the FB crowd and recognize that breeders are an important part of the dog world. Pound saves have a certain purpose, but working and specialty dogs are a whole different equation. A save can become a highly functioning service dog even on occasion, but if you are attempting to create more than one then you need a consistent base stock from which to work. The breed is unimportant as long as the dog is physically capable of performing the tasks you wish it to perform. I also support the rehome program at the pound and everyone of my girls including my 2 GSD's where rescues, saves or long term fosters for behavioral concerns. So don't let some uninformed folks sway your opinion, just keep doing what you have been and know that you are helping them when you can. Some folks are just not up to the task of a rescue and prefer a dog with a little more predictable nature.

Wheelchair Bob
12-10-2013 06:10 PM
WateryTart Selzer, I see what you are getting at: Justifying it could be taken as an acknowledgment that it's better to get a rescue dog but for __________, and _________ applies to me so it's okay. But really, there doesn't need to be a justification, because "it's what I'm doing" is enough.
12-10-2013 04:48 PM
selzer The thing is, if I want to give to the world hunger fund, I can do that. I might let others know that the charity exists and needs funds. But beating people over the head because they haven't given is over-board. Telling people that some child is going to go hungry today because you aren't donating the money you are spending on the internet to the world hunger fund is not going to win you any converts.

You wouldn't give me the time of day if I did that.
12-10-2013 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
You're right, you can train a detection dog from pretty much anything. I believe the Milwaukee PD has a rescued pit bull on the squad trained in drug detection. But a dual-purpose dog...those are generally going to be breeder dogs.

Wish that article wasn't a decade old either...who knows what they're doing now.
Who cares what they are doing now (with respect to this thread)? It really doesn't matter.

Yes, if you want the best shot at having a dog you can raise up from a puppy to do specific training and tasks that require a rock-solid temperament and strong drives, then you should probably go to a breeder that does this stuff with their dogs.

But by using this excuse, you are admitting that it is more appropriate in most cases to go to a pound to get a puppy, and if you weren't planning on doing this sort of work you would be getting a dog from a pound.

The problem is that people feel they must have an excuse, that they must justify their decision on where to get their next dog.

Let's not give them -- the obnoxious loudmouthed extremists that kind of power.
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