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12-07-2013 11:10 PM
doggiedad what's a lot of work and what's most most likely
to be forgotten? when you're out and about or visiting
someone or at a picnic are the trash cans dog proof. at
a picnic can the dog reach the food on the table?

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Originally Posted by wolfy dog View Post

That is a lot of work and most likely it will be forgotten at some point,


resulting in intermittent rewarding which is the best way to maintain the behavior.
Dog proof trash can; easy. I have always wondered why my dogs never figured out the pedal.
12-07-2013 10:30 PM
alexg Motion detector/sensors + Alarm. The moment the dog reaches the verboten area the alarm goes off, you show up with a large broom to dispense the punishment and a clean-up. :-)
12-07-2013 10:26 PM
wolfy dog
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Originally Posted by Alley View Post
Well, I think he's just saying initially keep it empty at night until the behavior is extinguished.

I can do that easily. The problem is that once my dog smells food in it again. . . bam. . . the behavior will return.

Alley
That is a lot of work and most likely it will be forgotten at some point, resulting in intermittent rewarding which is the best way to maintain the behavior.
Dog proof trash can; easy. I have always wondered why my dogs never figured out the pedal.
12-07-2013 10:22 PM
doggiedad crate him when you can't watch him. keep things out of reach
as much as you can. i got rid of the floor model trash can. i bought
a small can that fits on top of the refrigerator. his kibble is kept in
the hallway closet. i use to leave food in his reach to teach him
not to counter surf. i would place things on the edge of the counter
and leave the kitchen. when he went for the food a firm "no" worked.
when he went for the food i would make him sit facing the counter.
then i pointed to the counter to the area where the food was and
say "no" or "hey, you don't take food off the counter" or "no, get out
of the kitchen". then i started leaving food on the edge of the table,
on the edge of the kitchen counter, on the seat of the chair, on a plate
on the floor, on the coffee table. i set him up all of the time. he learned
not to counter surf. i also use to leave food available and leave the house.
in the begining i would leave the house for a few minutes. then i slowly added
more time being away.
12-07-2013 10:13 PM
Alley
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Originally Posted by wolfy dog View Post
and....what use is a trash can if you have to keep it empty?
Well, I think he's just saying initially keep it empty at night until the behavior is extinguished.

I can do that easily. The problem is that once my dog smells food in it again. . . bam. . . the behavior will return.

Alley
12-07-2013 10:07 PM
wolfy dog and....what use is a trash can if you have to keep it empty?
12-07-2013 10:00 PM
Alley Hi David,

I really like your approach, but re: #1. I love this idea, but it seems to me that once the smell of food is back in the trash can eventually -- or on the counters -- that the smell would bring back the behavior.

2) Re: hiding food. LOVE this idea. We do have puzzle toys for him, but he's been using them for months and probably doesn't get any challenge out of them at this point.

Hiding food in piles is a great idea -- thank you!

Alley

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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
2 prong approach for me.

1) Don't let the dog practice being rewarded for bad behavior. Leave your existing trash can in the kitchen, but empty it. Keep the kitchen counters clear. The behavior will extinguish because it is not rewarded.

2) Help your dog satisfy its urges to find stuff. Play hide and seek with part of its daily food. Make it challenging by putting it in a Kong or under a bowl hidden behind a dog bed or under the furniture where he can still get to it. I sometimes hide the dogs entire meal in little piles around the house tucked under the corners of furniture. Sometimes I scatter it in the back yard.

Your adopted dog spent years being rewarded for finding things with its nose. It will really help keep his mind occupied if he gets to work now and then. It's what they love to do.

David Winners
12-07-2013 09:07 PM
David Winners 2 prong approach for me.

1) Don't let the dog practice being rewarded for bad behavior. Leave your existing trash can in the kitchen, but empty it. Keep the kitchen counters clear. The behavior will extinguish because it is not rewarded.

2) Help your dog satisfy its urges to find stuff. Play hide and seek with part of its daily food. Make it challenging by putting it in a Kong or under a bowl hidden behind a dog bed or under the furniture where he can still get to it. I sometimes hide the dogs entire meal in little piles around the house tucked under the corners of furniture. Sometimes I scatter it in the back yard.

Your adopted dog spent years being rewarded for finding things with its nose. It will really help keep his mind occupied if he gets to work now and then. It's what they love to do.

David Winners
12-07-2013 08:50 PM
MaggieRoseLee

12-07-2013 08:36 PM
mandiah89 Get a good trash can like others have posted.

I have the same issue with Penny in counter surfing, hers is extreme she will jump on the counters with or without anything up there RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU! I have been managing it and have been training her to stay out of the kitchen all together.

When I cannot watch her I put the baby gate up so she cannot get in. When I am in there I use it for an opportunity to train. My kitchen is tile, and the dining room/living room is all hardwood so she is not allowed to put a paw past the hardwood anymore. As soon as she takes a step I move towards her and keep moving towards her till she moves out of the kitchen. Even one paw she gets moved back. As soon as gets past the "boundary line" I back off immediately. We have slowly been making progress and I am hoping that after doing this consistently she will get better with time, she has already made progress.

Its all about management, don't let your dog have the opportunity to make the mistakes, prevention is key.
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