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12-13-2013 10:55 AM
Saphire
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I'm really hooked on the look of Gus!!!! He looks Awesome. What bloodline did this fellow come out of? Maybe in a few years I will be ready for another one. Bane will be red/black....My pup is Western German bloodline....Show/work.....His dad is doing very well in protection training currently and his Grandfather has excelled in protection work. Hopefully those genetics carried over to Bane. I didn't want to get too much dog since I'm fairly new on training. I've been slow on the training with Bane ..Not pushing it too hard yet....We play tug several times a day, some ball.....It's been way to cold outside the past week.....Working some basic commands with marker training.... He is a VERY vocal dog!!
Sorry I missed this.....

Gus is out of Carmspack Kennel

Sire
Carmspack Sumo

Dam
Chiba Parchimer Land
12-09-2013 09:00 AM
Bequavious
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I'm pretty sure since a percentage of feces and bugs, are allowed in our human food, pet food manufacturers are not going to squeeze the feces out and wash intestines before they mix it into a cooking vat! Jis sayin!
"According to the FDA, food producers in the United States are allowed to have an average of 9 mg or less of “rodent excreta pellets” in the wheat they produce per kilogram. So, for example, 8 mg of “rodent excreta” per kilogram is perfectly fine." There Is A Staggering Amount Of Feces In Our Food

Moms
Sure, but it's like the feathers thing. Are there some feathers in poultry by-product? Most likely, but it's not like that's the primary ingredient by any means. They can only have as many in there as is unavoidable in good manufacturing processes (I think you had the exact quote earlier). I figure an animal who kills his own chicken for dinner probably ingests a few feathers and some poo as well. Wild and stray dogs are also scavengers who eat road kill of their own volition.

Personally I like to know what kind of meat I'm paying for, so I avoid "by-products" and generic "meat meal," but I'm also pretty sure that my dogs would eat "by-products" and "meat meal" just as readily as they eat "duck," though they would likely prefer each unprocessed.


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12-09-2013 08:29 AM
Momto2GSDs
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This is very disturbing,,,,Wow
That's not the half of it!
If kibble or treats have UN-NAMED items such as "Meat Meal" it can contain road kill, any mammal, diseased animals and even euthanized pets from the shelters!
Per FDA Official Publication, American Association of Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition, Section 9.3, p. 259
12-09-2013 12:32 AM
Jmoore728
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Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
I'm pretty sure since a percentage of feces and bugs, are allowed in our human food, pet food manufacturers are not going to squeeze the feces out and wash intestines before they mix it into a cooking vat! Jis sayin!
"According to the FDA, food producers in the United States are allowed to have an average of 9 mg or less of “rodent excreta pellets” in the wheat they produce per kilogram. So, for example, 8 mg of “rodent excreta” per kilogram is perfectly fine." There Is A Staggering Amount Of Feces In Our Food

Moms

This is very disturbing,,,,Wow
12-09-2013 12:29 AM
Jmoore728 I went ahead and bought Blue Buffalo Adult Large Breed.....Chicken and rice.....I kept debating over the large breed puppy or Adult....I went ahead and bought the Adult.

Hopefully it works out. I'm not going to give up on Raw. I plan to take another shot at it down the road. Thanks for all the help....
12-08-2013 11:57 PM
Momto2GSDs
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I think the intestines actually have to be void of their contents (poop), but by-products are definitely the lesser choice compared to a specific meat meal (such as chicken, duck, etc) or real meat.


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I'm pretty sure since a percentage of feces and bugs, are allowed in our human food, pet food manufacturers are not going to squeeze the feces out and wash intestines before they mix it into a cooking vat! Jis sayin!
"According to the FDA, food producers in the United States are allowed to have an average of 9 mg or less of “rodent excreta pellets” in the wheat they produce per kilogram. So, for example, 8 mg of “rodent excreta” per kilogram is perfectly fine." There Is A Staggering Amount Of Feces In Our Food

Moms
12-08-2013 10:27 PM
mspiker03 I didn't catch this thread earlier - but I would have cut out the OM when you started to see how he did without it. I start out very slow and increase very slow. Liver is rich and can cause the runs.


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12-08-2013 10:21 PM
Bequavious
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Sorry to hear that J, but I understand.

Royal Canin is now using BY-PRODUCTS!
Poultry By-Product Meal consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered poultry, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines (including poop and parasites!), exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as MIGHT occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”
I think the intestines actually have to be void of their contents (poop), but by-products are definitely the lesser choice compared to a specific meat meal (such as chicken, duck, etc) or real meat.


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12-08-2013 09:04 AM
Momto2GSDs
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We have decided to switch over to kibble for until he gets older. He still has very loose stools and I don't want to mess anything up while he is a puppy. As in bones, joints, etc.

I was reading about Royal Canine and plan to add some water to it to let it soften up.. I still plan to give him a couple sardines weekly, an egg here and there....

I want to try this Raw thing again.....But I'm not confident enough to try it on Bane. Hopefully when he gets around 1-1.5 years old, I will be confident enough to get it going.
Sorry to hear that J, but I understand.

Royal Canin is now using BY-PRODUCTS!
Poultry By-Product Meal consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered poultry, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines (including poop and parasites!), exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as MIGHT occur unavoidably in good processing practices.”
In Large Breed Puppy the 3rd ingredient is rice and the 4th ingredient is corn gluten meal. Compared to meat, glutens are inferior grain-based proteins low in many of the essential amino acids that dogs need for life/health. Rice has little to NO nutritional value.
Puppy 33: Corn Gluten Meal is the 4th ingredient. This is rubbery substance that is left over after the good parts have been removed for human consumption. Wheat and corn are proven to cause allergic conditions in some dogs.

I'd try a food with more quality ingredients like Acana Regionals (non grain)Acana Regionals | Acana Where to find: http://www.acana.com/store-locator/h...store-locator/
or
Fromms 4 Star (non grain) Four-Star Gourmet Recipes for dogs - Fromm Family Foods Where to find: Internet Retailers - Fromm Family Foods or stores: Fromm USA Retailers

Moms
12-07-2013 10:53 PM
Jmoore728 We have decided to switch over to kibble for until he gets older. He still has very loose stools and I don't want to mess anything up while he is a puppy. As in bones, joints, etc.

I was reading about Royal Canine and plan to add some water to it to let it soften up.. I still plan to give him a couple sardines weekly, an egg here and there....

I want to try this Raw thing again.....But I'm not confident enough to try it on Bane. Hopefully when he gets around 1-1.5 years old, I will be confident enough to get it going.
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