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12-10-2013 02:14 PM
Merciel For dog sports, I'd recommend DVDs, or at the very least Youtube videos, before I would suggest books. You really need to be able to see what people are doing before the written descriptions even make any sense, particularly since words don't always carry the same meanings in a sport context as they do in pet training.

For example, yesterday I took my foster dog out to meet a family of prospective adopters, and they wanted to know if she knew how to Heel.

Now, to me, "Heel" has a very specific meaning -- it's a tight, close, precise attention Heel for the competition ring. Inches matter. Pongu can do a pretty decent attention Heel (when he's not freaking out) but it's completely lolworthy to me to imagine that a foster mutt with zero prior training would have what I would consider a finished Heel within two weeks of arriving in my home.

But of course what the adopters really wanted to know was whether the foster dog could walk nicely on a loose leash without pulling too much, and there the answer was "yes." I just don't consider that anything close to formal Heeling.

I use this example because if you were just reading a written description then it might not be apparent what the differences actually look like in practice. When you see a pet dog just strolling along on a loose leash and compare that to the visual image of a sport dog doing a competition Heel, it's immediately obvious what the difference is -- but it is something that you really, really have to watch to understand.

And that is triply true for learning how to train something, as opposed to just watching the finished product in action.
12-10-2013 09:34 AM
Chris Wild There is a world of difference between normal pet obedience training and the level of obedience required in SchH and PP. As others have said, you really need to go visit the club and watch some training. When you do, these differences will be crystal clear. You also need to carefully consider, and discuss with the trainers, your training goals. While SchH and PP have similar foundation work, they are different. The right dog can be trained in both, but realisticaly you also need to look at whether or not you truly need a PPD or do you just want to do this because you think it would be cool, and if you are capable of taking on the huge liability and responsibility that goes with having this sort of dog. Both SchH and PP require huge time committments and you cannot do this training on your own. You need to work with a trainer. If a 2hr drive to work with good trainers is not doable on a regular basis, then you need to reconsider your training goals.
12-09-2013 10:40 PM
RaigenB
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Originally Posted by Baillif View Post
Normal obedience as in pet obedience or competitive?
Sorry, pet obedience
12-08-2013 09:09 PM
Baillif Normal obedience as in pet obedience or competitive?
12-08-2013 08:34 PM
RaigenB
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The dogsport stuff if you really get serious is a lifestyle choice for you and the dog. When I first got curious about it I was not prepared nor did I have any clue just how involved it was, so be prepared for some culture shock. The books will help alleviate that to a degree.
Haha, thanks for the heads up!

Btw, when training a dog to do PP or Shutzhund, is it really different from normal obedience training? I have only been to obedience training so that's what I'm used to so I was just curious.

My lab was obviously not trained the way you would train a PP dog so I guess I'd have to work with them differently if I get a GSD?
12-08-2013 05:02 PM
Baillif The dogsport stuff if you really get serious is a lifestyle choice for you and the dog. When I first got curious about it I was not prepared nor did I have any clue just how involved it was, so be prepared for some culture shock. The books will help alleviate that to a degree.
12-08-2013 04:41 PM
RaigenB
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Go visit the clubs. I don't believe O.G. Indianapolis SchH and Polizei charges to just come out to watch (they are not meeting tomorrow due to weather conditions). Going out as often as possible to watch, even when you don't have a dog, shows commitment.
I read somewhere that it did, and that thr money goes towards your yearly dues if/when you decide to join. I'll have to ask about it I guess.

After this weekend, I should be able to go. I work on Saturdays until 2 but he said they still go into the evenings so that I should be ok on time. I definitely want to go. I agree that getting a first hand look on what goes on is best, I just like reading books too
12-08-2013 04:39 PM
RaigenB
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Plus there is bound to be someone there who will talk your ear off regarding the sport. Every club has at least one.
Lmao!

Btw, your pic is hilarious hahaha!
12-07-2013 02:33 PM
Baillif Plus there is bound to be someone there who will talk your ear off regarding the sport. Every club has at least one.
12-07-2013 02:29 PM
lhczth Go visit the clubs. I don't believe O.G. Indianapolis SchH and Polizei charges to just come out to watch (they are not meeting tomorrow due to weather conditions). Going out as often as possible to watch, even when you don't have a dog, shows commitment.
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