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12-05-2013 01:55 AM
blehmannwa Selzer,
You are talking about Barbara Woodhouse and training your dog the Woodhouse way. She used a choke chain and I shudder to think about how I tried her methods on my Pappilon. It did not last long as neither I or the dog enjoyed it.

I also read the New Skete books before I owned my own dogs and I loved the picture of the Monks eating at a long table while the dogs lay quietly at their feet.
12-05-2013 01:43 AM
SummerGSDLover I appreciate the responses!

12-05-2013 12:14 AM
selzer I have the book. I got it before I had dogs, and I read it through. I truly cannot remember a lot of the training stuff. I remember more about the stages of puppy development. It's not a bad book. It does use what training methods were pretty normal at the time it was written.

When I was much, much younger, there was this English lady that had a show, how to train your dog, and we called her WALKIES!!! because that is what she used to say in a high voice. I thought she was really cool. So I was excited to find a dog training book written by her in a second hand book store and scooped it up.

While my dad was having an MRI, I read it in the waiting room.

I was pretty horrified by her methods. She kind of made Cesar look like a progressive. But she was doing her stuff back in the 60s and 70s. 'Tis kind of funny to see the Brit chastizing Cesar, when they had this lady teaching people. Ah well.

I think that your neighbor is awesome for giving you that book. If nothing else it has great puppy pictures in it. Read it with an open mind. It is a good read. Don't be afraid to not do some of what they suggest.
12-04-2013 11:38 PM
TaylorGSDT I have one of their books. I definitely agreed with including your dog in your daily rituals, and I tried the scruff shakedown once and the look of terror in my dog's eyes made me never do it again. It's a horrible method. On occasion, I will grab the scruff on the back of his neck, but only if he starts playing too rough and jumping up on me.

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12-04-2013 11:30 PM
TAR HEEL MOM I have it. I have skimmed it. Seems relatively easy to understand and follow. I have no real opinion about their training methods, but I know I would love to go there and visit their kennels and play with the babies!
12-04-2013 10:45 PM
Kaimeju I have one of the older editions too. If I'm recalling correctly, isn't there a paragraph that starts "How hard should you hit the dog?"

Times have changed. The same time I purchased that book, I also purchased the Koehler Method of Dog Training which is positively medieval by comparison. For teaching loose-leash walking he advocates jerking the dog by the neck hard enough to flip the dog over on its back if he pulls. I remember the Monks of New Skete books as something our vet recommended as being easy for beginners to understand. I don't think I would recommend it as a beginner book now because there are so many good books out there that are more progressive. Ian Dunbar, Pat Miller, Patricia McConnell, etc. These people aren't the end-all-be-all of dog training either, but I think they have very good ground rules for new owners who are feeling adversarial or frustrated.
12-04-2013 10:43 PM
BowWowMeow I trained my first gsd back in 1988 using their first book. I followed it very carefully because she was my first dog and was very strong willed. Today I still like some parts of their training methods but not any of the yank and crank, submit to me stuff. I trained Massie that way and would never, ever do that again.

I much prefer books by Karen Pryor, Patricia McConnell or the Purely Positive one cited above as puppy primers.
12-04-2013 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by SummerGSDLover View Post
Apparently reading to the almost end doesn't mean it isn't there. Pages 202-203 do show scruff shakes. How do you feel about scruffing a pup?
The technique they describe goes beyond just grabbing a puppy's scruff, to all those who haven't read it. It involves picking the puppy up by fist-fulls of neck skin under both sides of the jaw and 'slamming' it down into the sit position so his front feet are lifted off then dropped hard onto the ground.

I do not believe that this serves any training purpose. I'll grab a bit of scruff skin if I'm getting chomped on like mom does, but the whole idea of applying such an incredibly harsh correction to a puppy isn't something I incorporate into my rearing process.
12-04-2013 09:36 PM
How do you feel about scruffing a pup?
No way would I scruff or alpha roll a puppy. It takes away confidence and puppies need redirection, not corrections or making them submit physically. I'd rather build my puppy up than bang on him/her.
12-04-2013 09:33 PM
SummerGSDLover Apparently reading to the almost end doesn't mean it isn't there. Pages 202-203 do show scruff shakes. How do you feel about scruffing a pup?

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