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12-03-2013 01:37 AM
doggiedad ahh, i'm sorry what i'm saying is the truth.

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1 >>>>> you never know what the dog or the child is going to do.

2 >>>>> you don't know how the dog and child will interact
in the future.
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post

Next time I'm going to post, I'll send it to you to proofread. You want them in pm or email?


David Winners
12-03-2013 12:11 AM
DaniFani
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Hi,
I have a shepard mix (either lab or golden retreiver is the other half), Jack. Best dog i have ever had! He has always been intensely zeroed in on me even though I've perposely tried to have other people care for or direct him. No matter what I try, he only takes commands from me when I am home - if my kid or partner tries to let him outside he literally looks to me for approval or will go to the room I'm in for approval (weird).
I had a baby 2 weeks ago. Before having the baby we visited freinds with a toddler & 6mo old with Jack to test behavior & temperment. He did fine - he allowed the toddler to pull his ears even.

The baby has arrived & Jack is starting to drive me nuts. For the first 2-3days every sound the baby made caused concern in the dog & if he couldn't see the baby(my bed sits high) he would whine until allowed up or until the baby could be seen. Now he only get upset when the baby cried. The rest of the time Jack does check when the baby makes sounds in his sleep(the child is prob going to be a sleep talker someday) & frequently licks the baby's ears, toes, etc. he doesn't seem to try to get between me & the baby -he just wants to set his head next to the baby or be close.
Yesterday I was in the shower & my teenager left the baby to get a drink. When he returned to the room Jack had gotten up on my bed (never allowed to do) and had set his head on the lower half of the baby like he was trying to take a nap with the child. My son said Jack didn't do anything to even make the baby's rest disturbed.

Is this cause for concern? I have the distinct feeling that this kid will be guarded like Fort Knox when old enough to play in the yard I am glad there is no jelously, just constant concern. But it is getting annoying - will it get better with time? Should I look into some additional training of some sort?
My partner thinks Jack is veiwing the baby as a new puppy in the pack who must be spoiled & protected... I'm catching myself getting a short with the dog because of tripping, being i the way & such.
Any advice or advice that I should chill out are appreciated.
OKay, I asked my friend (dog trainer/handler for over 25 years...has titled and competed at very high levels with the dogs....and also works in rescue with "fixing" problem dogs that are on the road to euthanasia) and she said she would classify your dog's behavior on the bed, and the whining, following, etc..as wanting possession of the baby....she said it's very very dangerous and you need to nip it in the bud immediately. She said everything you were describing, from the baby on the bed, the following, the whining, the total lack of respect for the rest of the family, etc...none of it should be encouraged or tolerated...it's an accident waiting to happen. Just be careful, please...for the sake of the baby and the dog.
12-02-2013 11:48 PM
DaniFani Oh man, I try and not be a dramatic person, but reading your OP made my heart beat a little fast....we had to rehome a dog that acted the same way your dog does....she is a corgi. She was very concerned with our son when he was born, would watch him like a hawk, always seemed concerned, as soon as he started moving she would grab at him. Long story short, she tried to bite my friend's 2 year old when my friend yelled at the two year old to not grab a candle...the dog came running to correct the child and luckily only got her pant leg. She was a very fearful, horribly nervy, genetic mess...but I did NOT take any of the behaviors you described as "protective." I was actually very off put and concerned that my dog was SO concerned with the baby...I wanted her to be neutral...and when the age was appropriate, interact.

Have you ever seen the videos of cheetahs, lions, etc "playing with" and "loving on" the baby antelope before they eat it?? This is a perfect example of someone anthropomorphizing their animal (attaching human emotions and feelings to the animal's behaviors). The first thing I thought of when you described the dog getting on the bed was prey item, not protective. May sound dramatic, but it's a two WEEK old baby. I won't even let my cat around infants. The other things you said that lead me to believe this isn't protective behavior is the complete lack of respect the dog has for the other humans in the house...I would NEVER tolerate an animal ignoring and blowing off my spouse or child. My animal will NEVER think it is above any human in the house. This leads me to assume your dog also views the baby as beneath him. This may sound extreme, but when an animal views himself as equal to anything else, he feels that he can also correct that other "animal"...I used to intern at the zoo and worked with the African animals...lions, wild dogs, caracoles, etc...and you could see this...there was the male leader, and the others were "equal" and never hesitated to "correct" each other but would rarely, if ever, correct the leader....don't mean to compare a dog to a lion...but they are animals all the same, and I would rather go extreme with caution than have an attack...like Selzer said, there's some things you can't take back.

So, to answer your question, yes it's bad, yes you should be concerned, and stop thinking this behavior is the dog "loving" the baby. The dog doesn't know what this new creature is, he is trying to figure it out....he will probably grow up to be great buds with the baby, but YOU need to make that happen by setting boundaries...and you can start by getting him to respect ANY human in your home....it's ridiculous he looks to you and ignores commands from others...it shows he thinks they are beneath him or at the very least, equals...and for the love of God, please don't let your INFANT ever be in a situation where he is this close to the dog....just scary....ugh, makes my stomach hurt...

And this is coming from someone who totally let my one year old play ball with our shepherd puppy...supervised....(there's a video in my history) but my dog's are always to respect my child's space, just like my child is to respect their space. If you look in my avatar you can see my corgi snuggled up with my son. But my son was 1.5 and knew the basic rules about being gentle with the dog, etc...they also grew up together, and the dog respects my son as something higher in the pecking order than him...example, the corgi would NEVER take anything from my son (food, toys, etc), because he knows the boundaries...they are not litter mates, my son is higher....if I saw/see ANY behaviors indicating otherwise, everything would stop and we would go back to square one and start over.

Ugh, sorry this is so long, and seems to judgemental and extreme....It's just it's a baby...a very very tiny baby...and I really want you to stop being "annoyed" at your dog "loving the baby" and consider the other likely possibility that he is making sure the "new thing" knows he's higher than it.
12-02-2013 11:22 PM
Sunflowers A dog can very well view a baby as prey.
Very dangerous.

https://leerburg.com/dogs-babies.htm

http://www.pawinhanddogtraining.com/...akes_three.htm
12-02-2013 11:16 PM
vicky2200 I would actually disagree with all of the answers given. If you have had this dog for a long time and have seen it interact with other babies, I don't see a problem with letting the dog be near or even touch the baby. However, I would suggest better supervision in the future. Not only because of the potential dog risk, but because there will come a time when your baby can do something new, like roll over. If you aren't there they may roll over for the first time off the bed.

All that being said, I would let my GSD be around my newborn (assuming she wasn't jealous of it).
12-02-2013 10:18 PM
SummerGSDLover While it may make a cute picture, I know Id never let any animal near my newborn baby. I've had three boys and always had animals but never alone. I get that it was a mistake (bed thing) but he could've caused baby to roll off and fall (something equally or more terrible could've happened). We had to find a new home for one of our cats because she literally attacked my two week old while I was breastfeeding him. While I understand the feeling of wanting them to bond, you need to remember that he's a dog. He doesn't think of your baby as a puppy. He sees him as a human and because of how tiny your baby is now, that could be a problem. Your dog could smother your baby while thinking he was just getting a cuddle. Honestly, Id crate him and any other dogs in the house while baby is not in your arms, highchair, swing, or his room with the door shut. Make sure your dog gets enough attention but he sounds almost obsessive about you. Maybe someone more experienced could offer better advice. Please be very careful. Congratulations on your new baby!

*-*Summer*-*
12-02-2013 09:43 PM
David Winners Next time I'm going to post, I'll send it to you to proofread. You want them in pm or email?


David Winners
12-02-2013 09:32 PM
doggiedad 1 >>>>> you never know what the dog or the child is going to do.

2 >>>>> you don't know how the dog and child will interact
in the future.

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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
What Selzer said...

I create a bubble around the baby that the dog is not allowed to enter, never allow excitement around the baby, and never ever leave the dog and baby unsupervised for a second. Any time the dog is around the baby it's on a leash and 100% supervised.

It's not worth the risk,

1 >>>>> even with a dog I know is great with kids. You never know what the baby might do.

2 >>>>> In a few years, they can be best buddies and do everything together!<<<<<

David Winners
12-02-2013 09:29 PM
David Winners What Selzer said...

I create a bubble around the baby that the dog is not allowed to enter, never allow excitement around the baby, and never ever leave the dog and baby unsupervised for a second. Any time the dog is around the baby it's on a leash and 100% supervised.

It's not worth the risk, even with a dog I know is great with kids. You never know what the baby might do.

In a few years, they can be best buddies and do everything together!

David Winners
12-02-2013 08:51 PM
selzer Your baby could be dead right now.

I know that is very harsh. An owner left a week-old baby on the bed and went to the kitchen and the pomeranian killed the baby. Killed it dead.

I know all the stories, and all the books, and all the movies like to show you these smart, loyal, faithful dogs that will lay down their lives for a small child or baby. But, there are also lots of stories where a new baby has been killed by dogs. Even GSDs. One baby was crying and the female GSD took the baby to its momma, and unfortunately the baby did not survive. BTW GSD bitches are wonderful mothers who take care of their babies the moment they squeak. But they are dogs.

The dog had NO business on the bed if he is not supposed to be on the bed.

I would crate the dog when I had to do something like take a shower or leave the room where the baby is. And I would have a talk with that teenager as well.

Some things you can't take back.
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