|10-21-2013 08:49 PM|
|10-21-2013 03:22 PM|
My husky, Finder, was a rescue and came from some pretty bad circumstances. He would submissively urinate every time anyone would approach him. But he was house trained otherwise. I realize your pup may not be quite as reactive as Finder was but here are some of the specific things I did to help him. Maybe have the guys in your life try some of these:
1. I started out by holding my palms out at my sides any time I would walk past him in the house. Note, I only walked past and did not approach him. I ignored all accidents and cleaned them up after he had skittered away.
2. I also spent a lot of time sitting on the floor completely ignoring him. Watched tv in front of the couch, read leaning up against my footboard, anything that would make me seem less big and looming.
3. When he finally started to approach me I held still and let him inspect without making any move towards him. Started with just a sniff and then backing away. Then two sniffs, then two sniffs and a look. Slowly it built up.
4. After he would approach with some regularity I started setting treats in my hand, laying my hand on the floor, and letting him come take them or not. I never moved my hand toward him and did not speak or try and entice him to take it. I just ignored it and him. At first he was suspicious, but eventually he did come take one.
5.When hand treats became a yummy happy thing I slowly introduced petting while he would take the treat. This part had to go very, very slowly.
6. During all this, I could never ever speak to him in anything but happy baby voice, never correct (didn't need to anyway), and never approach too quickly.
7. Lastly if he ever started to urinate while we were interacting I immediately ceased the activity and turned away from him. I only wanted our interactions to have positive connotations. Overly submissive behavior never equals treats, pets, or attention for Finder.
It has been slow work (4+ months), an enormous exercise in patience and discipline for me, but it has paid off immensely. He can still be startled into an accidental piddle these days but otherwise has revealed himself to be the wonderfully sweet and playful pup I knew he could be. And boy is he a cuddle bug!
This past week I've had some sort of flu/cold and been stuck in bed, Finder has been cuddled up next to me almost constantly. These dogs will make you wrack your brain and want to cry from the frustration of it all. But the little victories along the way are so sweet, and on that day when they finally let it all go and curl up to cuddle with you it makes all the messes, all the tiptoeing, all the work more than worth it.
I wish you all the best with your boy. If you ever need to vent or if there is any way I can help feel free to pm me.
|10-21-2013 02:08 PM|
I appreciate all if the suggestions and they are in line with a lot of other things I have read. Not sure what his deal is but I wanted to catch and work on it as early as possible. The urinating has been an on and off thing for the last 5 months more off than on until the last 2 weeks and then the whole not coming when called thing just sprung up last night. He seemed ok later in the night but I have had little to no interaction with him since then because I am at work. My wife said he seems perfectly fine to her but he hasn't had any issue with him ever
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|10-21-2013 01:54 PM|
Build up the dogs confidence through ball games, tug, cycling, swimming. Exercise it a lot. Avoid any aggressive movements towards him.
When you walk in the room with the dog ignore it for a while. NO touch, no talk or eye contact for 5 minutes will take the pressure off the dog. He'll start to feel less like the center of attention.
Ask you friends to do the same. Some of you might have been rough housing or correcting the dog and this started to happen. Don't feel sorry for the dog as it will simply get over it soon.
Good not to even verbally correct the dog for a while. Use a gentle voice. Let the dog come to you rather than you going to it or calling it to you
One dog i know who had this turned out to be fine. She grew out of it.
|10-21-2013 01:51 PM|
On a personal note I am dealing with this in my 19mth old. He had a leg injury and lameness. He became fearful of the male vet who had checked him out twice and manipulated his leg. Ozzy built an immediate association after the first visit that this vet caused him discomfort and by the second follow up he was certain that all men would eat him alive. Bring in the submissive roll over and urination on site.
I cant speak for your circumstance or what may have caused him to behave this way though.
Presently the way I am handling it (Under guidance of my trainer) is to set up many interactions with males where they come up to him and touch him then feed him a treat then walk away. If he rolls over or urinates they walk away with no treat. If this happen then I come in and touch him on his body, treat him and walk away then the man comes back and attempt again. As quickly as he seemed to have learned to be fearful submissive he seems to have almost equally fast learned to be accepting of men again. We will do this for many months still to ensure he doesn't have any other 'scary' encounters that may cause him to revert back again. Not sure if that helps you at all, seems like you have started to do something similar already.
It may be worth considering that he may also be in the middle of a fear period.
|10-21-2013 01:27 PM|
Yes he's been checked out and the vet said he is as healthy as can be. They are assuming it's just a submissive things and have suggested your typical solutions but I was hoping to find someone that's has had something similar. They seemed to give me generic tips and ideas
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|10-21-2013 12:02 PM|
Check him out medically like shepherdmom recommended...
And if he's ok then you need to up YOUR game on the positive only training. If you aren't using tons of treats/toys and calm praise daily, then that's where you need to start.
Plus if you are male with that deep voice, you need to know that just a normal tone may be off putting to him. There is a reason you hear all those Police officers and Military K-9 Trainers have that high pitched crazy happy tone in their voices. It's because the TONE of the voice is way more important than what the words are saying to our pups.
Have you started up clicker training? It's a HUGE help to teach us how to train our pups properly. It forces us to reward with treats (and toys) frequently. It forces us to pay attention to whats going on. It makes us be PATIENT (hard for humans, we tend to want to MAKE our pups do something rather than wait for them to figure it out). Initial training has us not talk at all! So our tone won't mess up the dogs thought processes as we have to shut up while they figure it out.
Have you seen this link? If you can read thru and start adding the ideas to your training you will be AMAZED at the changes in your relationship with your dog. Soft dogs ARE a challenge.
But the good news is that 'soft' dogs make us much better dog owners and trainers.
|10-21-2013 11:53 AM|
|shepherdmom||Have you had him checked for a bladder infection?|
|10-21-2013 11:42 AM|
Maize is a 9 month old Male German shepherd and he has on and off been showing signs of submissiveness to myself and my other male friends. He starts to pee(not much) when a male interacts with him. He stopped doing it for about a month and the just recently started it up again and last night wouldn't even come to me when he was called but instead looked as if he was scared of me. I finally went over to him and he once again started to pee. Not sure how to respond to this, I have been told to ignore it and work on being on hands with him and I have. I'm not sure what else to do, he has only ever had 1 accident in the house that wasn't related to this submissiveness so he seems to understand and have good bladder Attachment 125217control
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