|11-12-2013 03:46 PM|
|cork2win||I am anxious to see/hear your results because I'm back to this forum after a few years absence, to do something similar. We now have three dogs who don't listen. One is hard, 2 is harder, three is impossible. So I need to "reset" the balance of power in our house and do some serious training. Like you I've found one of the most difficult parts to be separating the dogs while I train 1. I'm looking forward to learning from your experience!|
|11-03-2013 08:36 AM|
Holy smokes you are organized!
You'll add things as you go. With training you'll find that as you gain experience you'll also gain new information. Every time something doesn't make sense or your dogs appear to be difficult do some research and ask questions. The pool of information is almost bottomless.
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|11-02-2013 09:32 AM|
OUR TRAINING UPDATE
So with a lot of hard thought, I have decided to do a (2) week shut down period and reestablishing myself as the head of the pack. How I'll do that...no clue yet, but I will record and document every part of our process like a 'before & after' type of deal so I can see our progress. Something like a blog of some sort, we'll see. But here is a list of things you all provided with me to work with:
Nothing in Life is Free
Self Control Exercises
Behavior Adjustment Training
Establishing Pack Order & Rules
Mind Games by M. Shirly Chong
Creating a Schedule and Routine
Suzanne Clothier & Karen Pryoer
Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson
Dog Psychology & Body Language
Establish Greeting/Meeting Rituals
Four Legs of Operand Conditioning
Create a New List of Commands & Calming Signals
Am I missing anything? Is there anything else anyone would recommend?
|11-02-2013 09:01 AM|
|10-24-2013 08:24 PM|
Have you guys ever looked at some training books for training? I always thought they were dull books that didn't really help, but after trying a few out because a friend recommended them I soon changed my mind.
I had a wild puppy a few years ago that wouldn't listen to me after any amount of training, and since I have trained a fair amount of puppies I was stumped, but then I picked up a few training books and it was a crazy, the improvement was tremendous. But I recently made a blog post about the best dog training books, and I though I should share it. I don't get paid if you buy these books or anything like that but after training puppies and dogs for so long by myself I've been kicking myself that I've missed out on these books until now.
|10-24-2013 08:45 AM|
This is why I recommend so much, using positive methods only for this re-set. You can remove a whole host of reasons why - as long as you are clear - a dog is trying to tell you to calm down. Makes it easier. Plus they are learning, so nice to learn in the optimal level of stress - that is a place where you are stressed because you are learning something, but not from the method in which you are learning it (same for people and dogs).
|10-23-2013 02:22 PM|
Bowing like that is your pup showing it's excitement. He doesn't want to work, he wants to play. He has YOUR attention and he wants to make the best of it. To us, it looks like, "Oh, you again. You and your rules bore me to death." But he's really trying to get you to engage in what HE wants to do. Because HE knows it more fun for him, it's gotta be more fun for you.
The good news is he IS engaging with you. If it's become a habit - or a learned behavior - I'd ignore it. Ignore him. If you know that every single time you try to get him to do something new he's going to do it, then try a different approach.
I can see you doing this: "Ok, Wolf! Com'ere! We are going to try something new!" Wolf picks up on you being nervous because you're doing something new as well as your attempt to get him excited about something new. So, he says "I know! Let's play!!!!"
Next time, try not saying anything at all. Or sitting on the floor or a stool. Try just keeping eye contact with him until he settles. Or even not look at him. Make that your game. How can you engage your dog without bringing out the unwanted behavior. Have patience. Let the light bulb click in his head. Try to read what he's trying to tell you. He's become accustomed to coming up with all the ideas of what y'all are going to do. He doesn't see it as a bad thing. You just have to let him know that YOU are the one who will decide when play is play and when work is work.
|10-23-2013 01:36 PM|
As for the whining in his crate, he is prob confused and frustrated because it is not what he is used to. I would ignore for a while and see if it subsides. Only let him out when he stops. It may help to give him a frozen kong to occupy himself while he is in there too. If the crate is present in the room you are training your second dog try moving the crate to another room it may help.
|10-22-2013 11:10 PM|
Ok, so I rounded up all the articles, bought (4) of the recommended books, printed out the online resource papers by those noted, annnnnnnd cleared out a space purely for training. One dog was in one crate, and the other on a 7ft rope leash I use for training.
So far, I REALLY like the two week period idea, I created a schedule of eating, bath rooming, walks, and play time.
Wolf. Does. Not. Like. It. Lol
He did not like being the one who didn't decide what we do, how we play, walk, anything. So I know it's working. However his constant barking and whining has gotten out of control.
If I get dressed, put on my shoes, work with the other dog, get the leash/training collars, or walk past his crate he throws a fat GSD tantrum. His body get's stiff and he's ready for me just to say a word...any word...like a 'release' cue and he goes wild.
How should. I handle the back talk/whining/fight back?
Especially since now every time I try to get him to do something he 'bows' and looks at me while doing it...then does his cat stretch thing...the fuh???
Why Wolf?! Whyyyyyyyy????
Preparing for day two tomorrow. Bear did great, but he keeps licking his paws and lips constantly as an attention getter, even if I'm working with him...how do I get him to stop while we're training together?
Oh, and I got a new clicker, some tennis balls, and a treat box they have to work to find the snack
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|10-22-2013 09:59 AM|
If I were going to re-set a dog, which I do whenever I have gotten a foster, I start with the 2 week shutdown - not in a punitive way (some people see it like that), but in a let's see what we've got here way.
I couple that with non-isolative NILIF.
I would crate one dog, have the other dog out tethered to me. I would ask for sits. See Dr. Sophia Yin's website. I would then rotate to the other dog.
It would not be punitive, I would be fun, engaging and working on relationship. See Suzanne Clothier's books and articles on her site.
In order to clear up the communication, I would hit Karen Pryoer's site and look at how to capture and click to "talk" to your dog. Removes all the bad cues you may have and allows for pathways to shape new.
But first I look at me -
*I* need to be calm, upbeat, and clear. I need to recognize that if a dog is failing to do something, I have most likely failed to explain it well to them.
I do not train when I am feeling sick, tired, or frustrated.
I do talk to myself before training sessions - what I want to accomplish, how I want it to look on my end, and how I will end it if it's not going well.
I can be clear positively. If I can't, I stop and regroup, because I need to out-think the dog. Not that they are trying to out-think me, just I am not getting across to them well enough.
So that would be my plan. It helps to have a trainer, but if you can't, keep a log of all of it. Keep track of articles, videos, etc, as you use them, in your log.
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