|10-24-2013 08:57 PM|
Berlin did a good job. You should be proud and your dog is definitely a good representative of this breed! He's an excellent dog!
Some people are seriously ridiculous. I socialize my dogs from the beginning and expect them to behave and tolerate what's going on around them. If I say it's ok.... it's ok. However, I'm not locking myself in my house because some people can't control their ignorance. They are still dogs, they still have teeth.... all dogs can bite. Period. In my opinion, there's no such thing as a bomb proof animal. There's good stable dogs, and well trained dogs, and very tolerant dogs..... but, even the "best" and most so called "bomb proof dog" can bite, and if the right situation occurs.... they will. Everyone shares responsibility when out in public. If dogs are allowed, then the public there should fully understand how to respect their space.... and the dog owner should understand how to respect the public around them. Simple as that. There would be a LOT less bite incidents if people watched their kids, and taught them how to respect animals. I remember back in the days when parents would say "Well.. what did you do to the animal for it to bite you?!". I remember getting kicked by a pony as a small child, I walked behind it too fast and it didn't know I was there.... between my sobbing, my mother calmly asked "What did you do to it and how can you prevent this next time?"... These days... people avoid blame, and try to stick in on someone else.
Berlin reacted as if it was playing and got riled up, when it got too rough and possibly even was a bit painful (I doubt being pulled pulled by the face is very pleasant).... the dog decided to back out of the situation by ignoring the guy altogether. When dogs get nervous about a situation, one of the first things some will do is ignore and look away... avoidance.
|10-23-2013 01:35 PM|
|10-23-2013 01:29 PM|
I also had a very big issue with the title of this thread. I don't think our dogs should bite anyone that isn't a threat. This guy wasn't a threat, he was being friendly. Sure, he was way over the top about it, but at the end of the day he doesn't deserve to get bit for his actions.
I guess I'm just not alright with people saying...well it would be okay if my dog bit this person because they did something stupid. To me...its not okay. It's okay if you walked into my house, or my yard, with an intent to do something illegal, and my dog bit you. But if my dog is out on the town, its not okay for him to bite anything. Someone brought up the fact that in Europe people are much more understanding and dogs are allowed more places. Well, my dog is already not allowed that many places in the US, the last thing I need is for a dog to bite someone in another place and then I can't go there with my dog...or the news gets out and things just like that stop allowing dogs.
On a side note...all of you in northern Illinois and southeastern Wisconsin where do you guys meet up and hang out? I'd love to meet up with some of you and let our dogs play. Where do you guys train? What do you guys train in? PM me if its more comfortable.
|10-23-2013 12:38 PM|
LOL! I can relate. Ilda loves French fries.
I only give her a couple as a treat when going through the drive thru but she loves the people at the windows who hand us such delicious things into the car!
One place the employees recognize us - hands me two or three just for her.
|10-23-2013 12:31 PM|
I agree Berlin did really well!
...and another point that has me pondering-
I have to be honest, Smitty probably would have been just fine with it, but Ilda would not.
She's fine in crowds, she's fine with people running by us jogging, kids in play grounds screaming and jumping, petsmart visits, but if a stranger bends over and grabs her right in her face.....all bets are off.
I socialized the heck out of her too (more so then Smitty) and train with groups and privately pretty much weekly and her OB is pretty solid compared to most other average dogs. She's breed standard in that she is aloof with strangers, a cuddle bug with 'her pack' I and Hubby can smush all over her and she loves it and super loyal but I didn't socialize her to tolerate different strangers coming up to her and grabbing her face?
None of my trainers (who are GSD knowledgeable SchH and protection trainers) ever taught us that our dogs should tolerate this level of interaction with strangers out of the blue like that. We did do lots of socialization exercises in class too.
In fact my trainer did an exercise with me once. He asked me to sit on a bench. Then without warning he walked up to me and got right in my face. Now I know him and trust him but the visceral reaction is to be startled and uncomfortable. Imagine if a stranger does that to you?
|10-23-2013 11:58 AM|
|Blanketback||OP, if you felt ridiculed by my post then I apologize for that, since that wasn't my intention. But I think we're on the same page, as far as how we view our dogs - they're our babies. So I have a very hard time trying to picture someone assaulting my dog without my reflexes kicking in. That is, immediate consequences. I know women are treated differently - but that's neither here nor there. If someone groped you, would you ponder how to handle it? Maybe we just have different views on what we're willing to tolerate. I'm very intolerant when it comes to physical assault, whether it's me or my dog. The strangers who have groped me have had the wind knocked out of them, or had their finger almost broken. Sorry, but that's the risk you take when you put your hands where they aren't welcome. And as crackem said, you have to be your dog's advocate - you have to act on behalf of your dog. Luckily Berlin has been socialized and has the temperament to take that abuse, but many wouldn't. IMO, your story seems to justify a dog biting someone in retaliation to how a stranger treats it, and I don't think that's right. Especially when the dog in question is a GSD, then I have a problem with that attitude. Can you see this from my perspective?|
|10-23-2013 11:43 AM|
Do you think he was actually trying to get bitten? I've heard of people who do things like that purposely to get bitten so that they can sue the owner.
Scary world we live in.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.... too many litigious losers out there.....we are targets in many ways owning GSD's......
|10-23-2013 11:21 AM|
Here in the Twin Cities I'm not afraid to take any of my dogs to Petsmart because people are pretty good there. Not perfect -- tiny dogs on 20 foot leashes held by a toddler? -- but mostly pretty good. People don't throw themselves at my dogs, and my dogs like people as long as I seem okay with them. The worst any of them have done is "BOOF" at a dog yapping at them, which seems reasonable to me, lol. But I don't take my dogs to events with big crowds. I worry that some macho idiot with a dog will see shepherds and decide to show off his mean pitbull and lose control of it. It ain't the pittie, it's the owner, you know?
On a barely related note: We have a pizza delivery guy who watches for our phone number so he can bring our pizzas out because he adores shepherds and wants to see our's. He was very respectful the first time he came and obviously knew dogs so I let the boys come to the door to meet him. Now, if they smell pizza at the door, they peer out to see if its him. "IT'S THE NICE GOOD SMELLS MAN!!!!!!" They think he's awesome.
|10-23-2013 11:15 AM|
|Carriesue||That's a good point Gwen brings up. Women and men are treated differently sometimes, women aren't taken as seriously and I don't think Katie mentioned that the man was middle eastern... nothing wrong with that but might be why he wasn't acknowledging her. Could she have been more forceful about it? Sure but none of us were there to actually witness it and Berlin handled it as well as any dog should.|
|10-23-2013 11:03 AM|
This guy (he was foreign so he didn't speak English) comes up to Berlin LIKE he knows him and starts riling him up, playing rough with him. This all happened so fast I was confused because I wasn't sure if I knew this person or not? (I couldnt see his face at first) Well now Berlin thought it was play time and was jumping up at the guy - and the guy kept going!
He is then pulling my dogs skin, and rubbing my dogs face so hard I thought his skin was gonna rip off - toBerlin was visibly irritated and trying ignore the guy so I tried to go. /QUOTE]
I might have misunderstood by your statements highlighted above that this didn't take place in a manner of moments.
I think it's important to everyone reading this story that things can happen very quickly. The window for you to react is small. Don't allow anyone to dictate your dog's behavior. It's your responsiblity to protect your dog from others. If you don't feel confident in YOUR ability to do so, you might need to re-consider where you take your dog.
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