|10-15-2013 12:04 AM|
|10-14-2013 11:43 PM|
|boomer11||i dont have anything to add but what gym lets you bring your dog??!?! thats really cool! also that looks like one happy dog.|
|10-14-2013 11:36 PM|
From a top level structural view I'd say that is true (in blue), plus she's a bit shorter through her body. There are probably other observations I'm missing because I'm not an expert.
My background teaches me you want rear drive, the hindquarters usually are the main propulsion (again same with horses).
I think that how structure and movment affects longevity probably relates to how well the joints hold up over the years. The more concussive forces applied due to poor structure the more wear and tear. I know in horses this is where proper angulation is really important, as incorrect conformation leads to more shock to the joints over time (not to mention a much rougher horse to ride).
I don't know how much this applies to dogs though because they are a much smaller and lighter animal.
Hopefully some more knowledgeable folks will chime in. Qbchutto is one of my mentors - she shows/handles for conformation and SchH both workinglines and showlines.
|10-14-2013 07:58 PM|
Yes, her rear shifts to her left and she does overreach a bit, but nothing like Dingo.
So for clarification, her stride is shorter because of less angulation in both her front shoulders and rear, placing her stance more naturally upright?
To me, when she really digs in, to sprint or jump, an equal portion of her drive comes from her front legs, as opposed to some dogs I see driving primarily from the rear. This would be a product of the geometry of her front and rear angulation? Her chest and front shoulders are very developed compared to dogs I see with more rear angulation, where the rear is the drive and the front is more for steering. This is an oversimplified generalization.
Please correct me if I'm wrong! And thank you for the information It is helping me piece together an idea of how the dog's conformation leads to success and longevity in work.
|10-14-2013 05:39 PM|
That is necessary to avoid over-reaching which would lead to basically stepping on their own heels, so to speak. Also considered a movement flaw in horses.
I watched Fama again, she does do it too, at least from what I could tell as she does overstep hind over front.....just not as much as the WGSL.
|10-14-2013 05:35 PM|
It's funny, I love watching the working lines sprint across the SchH field going for the long bite. They are quick. So after watching them watching a WGSL is like....
do-de-doh-do-de-doh......gallumping down the field. LOL! Love 'em though!
They don't usually have that breathtaking launch either, much less air time.
So one of the things to note about the WGSL in the video is how far his hind legs come up under his body with each stride, quite a bit more then Fama, but she also has shorter legs (and less angulation) proportionally then the WGSL. So in a steady trot she's probably burning more energy then a comparably sized/conditioned WGSL with a longer stride.
But....I'm going to guess (again based on my experience with conformation in horses) she probably can sprint faster and jump higher then that same comparable showline dog. That low long stride of the WGSL is beneficial for movement that conserves energy over distances not so much power over obstacle or jumps and such.
(I will google Fama! )
|10-14-2013 01:16 PM|
I have no idea what to look for in conformation. I do know when I see fluid and powerful movement, and Fama is looking mighty good on that treadmill. She "pops" a bit more than the dog in the vid Gwen posted. She's more compact and does not have the same reach as it were and needs to clear a bit more space for the paws to flip forward. That being said, she is not wasting any energy, what she has she works well.
Something that caught my eye in the showline is is the eccentric footfalls of the dog. Drivers side front paw lands inside the rear on overstep, passenger side front lands on the outside of the rear. I guess it's to counter the sway that occurs, which is something I didn't see Fama doing at all, she seemed to have better side-to-side control.
|10-14-2013 12:59 PM|
If you Google "Fama bomb dog" you can read a bit of our story if you like. (Actually more than a bit lol)
I have always been impressed with Fama's efficiency in covering ground with little effort. She's not a great sprinter by comparison, but moves with a lot of power, and surprising agility for her size.
She was always off leash on the treadmill, but the photographers were getting pretty close, and she was still a little snarky at the time.
Thanks for the link as well! I see what you mean about the overstep. Dingo is beautiful, and moves with great fluidity and no wasted motion.
|10-14-2013 12:02 PM|
I'm not an expert either. I have a good eye for horses and some of the mechanics are similar.
So I'll just toss this out as general comments from what I've been learning from some GSD mentors who show showlines and my background with horses.
The movement emphasized (arguably maybe too much) is a very ground covering trot which is achieved through angulation of not only the hind quarters but also shoulders and length of the front leg.
So if you compare Fama to the WGSL dogs she doesn't have quite the overstep where the hind paw hits the ground in front of the last stride of the parallel front.
Sometimes I see workinglines that look 'off' to me (NOT Fama though) and my mentor explained in some of those cases the front is too short and straight through the shoulder to match the rear. In my newbie observations the conformation of the workinglines tends to increase their ability to sprint and leap vs the ground covering gait of the showlines.
So my thoughts are that Fama is a very nice mover but does lean to the workingline tendency of a bit shorter stride but given what she CAN DO, that's admittedly a WGAS....
Anyway just some newbie ramblings. I love Fama, I love the way she checks in with you. She is beautiful in great condition and does her job that you ask of her and really....(based on some of your past posts) you should write a story about her.
Here's a video of this ground covering movement of a top WGSL just for comparison sake:
|10-14-2013 11:08 AM|
Beautiful dog and great way to both get exercise at the same time!
Hope you are mixing up so outdoor running too. More fun for both of you
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