|10-14-2013 01:13 PM|
|Galathiel||My puppy is crated when I can't have my two eyes on him. I would never leave them alone together, as in I would have the puppy behind a closed door .. or the cat would be. It only takes one misstep by the cat (aiming for a higher perch and misjudging and falling back) for a tragedy to happen even with the puppy confined to a certain area of the house.|
|10-14-2013 01:01 PM|
Thank you all for your wisdom and input.
I do not want to use something like a spray bottle on her, because i really want my girl to love the water and not be afraid of it. So i am really trying to steer clear of using a spray bottle as a detterent.
Because of my house being close to main roads. the cat stays inside overnight and while at work. he is also stubborn and regardless of how rough the pup is, the cat will go up to her and mess with her. so the dog literally always has access to the moving chew toy.
I have tried VERY stern, nearly aggressive tones with the pup when it was a serious incident with kitty. As well as redirection, putting a toy in front of her, playing with her to take attention away from the cat, even feeding her so she will stop. I know that some of this can cause miscommunication and she may think she is being rewarded for vanquishing the feline hellion, but i am trying my best to keep rewards and dinner time seperate.
But i am very close to running out of ideas. when she does get the cat in play mode, they are fine for a couple of minutes, kitting will try and grab her from under a chair, and it is all harmless fun. But the puppy ALWAYS catches him, and when she does it is, i believe, dangerous.
She will straddle the cat. Pinning him down under her body. She usually just plays with his paws or tail at this point. kitty doesnt like it but it is better than the alternative. I have no problem with them playing like this.
But puppy will suddenly start going for the throat or the head. Fitting the cats head in her mouth is a simple task at this point, and i am afraid that her teeth are going to pierce an eye, or the cat is going to swipe the puppies face and catch an eye. Regardless, i am scared for both of my beloved pets.
I am detterring her from playing with the cat at all at this point. So that there is no miscommunication between what she is and is not allowed to do. So the cat is off limits. But the cat taunts puppy and goes wherever she is. whether it be in the boarded off kitchen, or where puppy is sleeping.
because of this, i can not keep them safe when i am not available.
i do not know what to do, and i am seriously worried that one of these two demons is going to bring a huge vet bill very shortly
|10-14-2013 11:07 AM|
Be very firm with your dogs and make sure they understand, the Kitty is a NO, No. Particularly when a cat is declawed!!!
Also, it is a good idea to provide Kitty with some safe areas which he can retreat to, like furniture, special shelves (walkes) so when "in danger" he can jump higher than the dogs can reach. When you have more than one dog, be double carefull because the dogs will form a "pack" and can hunt your kitty.
I have three female dogs and they all know that the Kitty is higher in the hierarhy than they are. For example: when the Kitty chooses one of four dog beds to lie down, the dogs will respect his choice and go to another one. My Kitty is only 10 pounds and my dogs are: 53, 55 and 37 pounds. I'm very strict and always vigilant when it comes to safety of my Kitty!
|10-14-2013 10:43 AM|
My cats have never allowed things to go too far so I guess I've been lucky that redirection has worked for us. He does get stronger "Leave its" when being particularly annoying to them, but I guess I always felt smacking or hitting a pup for being naturally curious seemed too harsh when his intentions aren't to hurt the cat. With an older dog out to intentionally hurt one, I'd have no problem getting nasty though. That said, he's never left to his own devices with any cat, so I guess I don't have to worry so much at this point since its getting steadily better.
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|10-14-2013 10:29 AM|
|Galathiel||My pup is obsessed with the cat. It's beyond annoying. I have him babygated where the cat has half the house and he has the other half, but of course the cat still comes on his side. He doesn't hurt the cat per se, but invariably wants to squish her with a paw. She's a slim (7 lb) Persian with no claws so I am on him all the time. If he doesn't leave her when I say, he goes to time out. I bring him out, if he does it again, back he goes. I also am fairly harsh with my tone and do grab his cheeks and make him look at me while I tell him that the cat is MINE. It would be too easy for her to get hurt accidently and I'm not having it.|
|10-14-2013 10:04 AM|
|Shade||Decide what's acceptable and what's not and set those rules. Be firm and consistent and you should get good results, not overnight though|
|10-14-2013 09:57 AM|
I am not a big fan of 'redirection'...I really do not feel it is clear enough to a dog. The matter must be black and white. The cat MUST be off limits. The dog must learn "leave it" and if it means some physical correction, then so be it. Start with the scruffing and aggressive correction in your tone of voice. Separate the pup from the cat. The pup must learn - for the safety of the cat - that the cat is NOT a chew toy...just look at what pups can DO to a chew toy!
Some dogs will never learn to leave the cats alone...I sold a very very very nice male because he was obsessed with cats and it got to where he just drove everyone nuts in the house pacing and whining at the entrances to the rooms where the cats holed up when he was inside. I don't like dogs living 24/7 in crates and kennels and the cats are just as important as the dogs...I did not spend enough time when he was little establishing the parameters of the cats being off limits...
|10-14-2013 09:42 AM|
My puppy is also rough with my cats.
He doesn't mean to harm them but he tries to nibble on their ears and he smacks them with his paw and sometimes falls on them.
What I started doing is I took my most laid back cat and I have her lay down while I softly speak to her and pet her and I let my puppy come sniff her. When he starts to get a little rough I tell him no and push him away a little. He is starting to get a lot better. He sometimes still chases them when they run but I tell him "no" and it makes him pause for at least a second.
Just last night my Queen B cat decided she likes him and she licked his face and rubbed up against him, so we are making progress!
|10-14-2013 09:41 AM|
You'll probably get better advice, but this has been my experience and the approach I used.
I never "punished" Tucker for interest in our cats. Instead it was always a redirect. I didn't want him to associate anything bad with the cats but instead learn to ignore them. Whenever he was out around them, he had a leash attached so that I could quickly use "Leave it" & focus him elsewhere. When out walking, he is not allowed to focus on the neighborhood cats even for a second.
Now I allow the cats to do some of the work themselves. He is 6mo and I trust him slightly more (but for the cats benefit I'll never completely trust him or leave them unsupervised).
We are lucky. We have a very old, petite and declawed cat that has absoulutely no fear and when Tucker has tried to mess with her, she'll hiss but won't bother to get up until she's ready. Then she'll saunter slowly away while he bounces around frustrated because its no fun to chase a sauntering cat
Our young cat thinks he's a dog and handles him accordingly. If Tucker gets out of control with him (which means any physical contact), he goes to his crate for a time out because that usually means he's also on a rampage and destroying my house...
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|10-14-2013 09:36 AM|
I had this problem with a 12 wk old rescue aussie, he was fine the first few days and then decided to go to town on my cats
I do not like to get 'physical' either, but this puppy meant business, he'd pounce, pin, (the cats would play dead), and ra ra ra in right in their faces like he was daring them to move
First time he did it, I grabbed him by the back of the scruff, and yanked him off, telling him to "leave it" and I got in HIS face, 2nd time, I got a little more intense, same correction, but grabbed him by the scruff, and really got in his face with the wraith of mom...I think he might have done it again, can't recall, but he hasn't done it since He's now almost 13 years old..
I don't advocate what I DID to others, but sometimes extreme measures call for extreme action
While your dog may just want to play, he could unintentionally really hurt the cat..
Have you tried using a squirt bottle on him,,or try redirecting the puppy if he even "thinks" about jumping the cat??
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