|10-17-2013 02:38 PM|
|Castlemaid||Even pups from stellar genetics can end up being too much on the sensitive side to have what it takes for protection work. Good news is just having a GSD by your side is enough of a deterrent for most situations. Sounds like your trainer has the experience and knowledge to give you an honest eval - kudos to you to understanding your dog and accepting him as he is.|
|10-16-2013 01:11 AM|
|Nigel||Our Ranger is half Czech and at a little over one year he is still very much a puppy.|
|10-16-2013 01:07 AM|
|rentalguy1||I didn't send him away, per se. We had to go out of town for a wedding. I had a K9 handler/ trainer friend board him for me while we were gone. He has shown aggressiveness in the past, and I wanted someone familiar with the breed to look after him. I didn't want to sorry about my boy being miserable in a small run with no attention while I was gone and I definitely didn't want someone to get hurt. While there, and with me out of sight, I wanted a professional assessment of the dog's temperament. The whole reason I got a GSD was for protection of the home and family. I honestly never expected a best friend out of the deal. That just kind of happened. And like I said, if he ends up being a 120 clown, I'm totally fine with that. He does come from the East German/ Czech bloodline, and all of his ancestors with the exception of his mother, are protection dogs. Maybe he isn't mature enough. He is definitely still all puppy. The trainer didn't push really hard either. He kind of acted as if he could tell that it just wasn't there. Maybe we'll try again in a year. Until then we'll stick to obedience and chasing tennis balls and frisbees. Sorry if this post reads bad. I did it from my phone.|
|10-15-2013 10:07 PM|
Hey, they don't ALL have to be natural born killers! Thank goodness many are outstanding pets and family companions - what more can you ask for? So glad to hear that you love and accept your Ranger as he is, truly, what can Ranger ask more from you? He sure lucked out and found a great home!
I know you are a bit disappointed right now, but I went back and read about ranger, and where he comes from, and there might still be a real serious dog in there.
He is a year old, and he comes from West German/Czech lines? You had the input and help from experienced K9 officers in his selection? I would say that it is too early to categorically label him a wimp (and I know you say that with love ), he still has a lot of maturing to do.
Do you have a pedigree? Czech lines are known for being slow to mature mentally, so a 12 month old from those lines may not have the mental maturity to deal with a threat, and normal for him to show fear and look for retreat when feeling under attack. Many of these dogs don't mature until they are between 2 and 4 years old! In a year or two, you may have a completely different dog on your hands.
Gryffon is half West German, half Czech, and he was slow to mature for protection work. But I knew this, and at 12 month, still considered him a puppy. The helper in our SchH club commented that he could see a lot of potential in him, but we also knew that we had to wait until he could handle it mentally before we brought it out. With Gryffon - we first tried to put pressure on him for the first time when he was 16 mo - and after an initial appropriate defense response, he showed avoidance - so, too much pressure for him, too early.
So I gave him time to grow up. At 3 1/2 years old, I went to a protection training seminar, and asked the trainer to give Gryffon a real test, to see what Gryffon could take. Turns out he can take a LOT! Nothing bothered him, he passed what the trainer called his police dog test. I don't really NEED or even want a protection dog - I just do the training because it is incredibly rewarding and fun, and I was interested in finding my dog's potential.
So to call Ranger a wimp may be premature - I'm sorta sorry that at his age, at his mental maturity level he was put in repeated situations where he felt fear - believe me, the growling and hackling are fear responses, and is never an appropriate active defense behavior, and would not have put such a young dog in a situation where they hit the flight response of fight or flight. But at least you have had some good insight in your at his present age, insight which is COMPLETELY normal for a puppy.
I'd say just work on building his confidence - make him believe that he is the best dog and the smartest dog and the whole world, and if you can find a trainer that will work in building his bite-work in a fun, positive, confidence-building way, in two years from now, you may have a different dog.
No guarantees, of course, he may still rather run away than fight, but two years from now, the response you get will be a true indication of his temperament, instead of a reaction of an overwhelmed and insecure young dog put into a situation he was not mentally ready for.
|10-15-2013 09:51 PM|
What was your goal for this dog? Just wondering what the point of this training exercise was...
I didn't comment earlier because I thought this was a potential K9 going away for some training...but now I'm not so sure so I'm just confused as to why you would send him away for this type of testing/training.
|10-15-2013 09:28 PM|
OK, so the assessment is that Ranger is a highly intelligent, and highly obedient...PET. He isn't the natural born killer that I was hoping for, or even the fierce guard dog that I was thinking he could be shaped into.
He postures very well, and when confronted with a perceived threat (beyond the initial aloof stage) he raises his fur, shows some teeth and makes a good noise. If the threat doesn't back off, though, he tucks his tail and seeks flight. He would likely shred a threat if backed into a corner, but if there is a route of escape he would take it. He would stand his ground a little longer to protect me, but even if I am there he would look for a way out.
You know what, though? I am perfectly fine with that. He is a wuss, but he is my wuss. I'm am perfectly fine to have him follow me everywhere I go, lay at my feet, play fetch, and generally let my 3 year old have her way with him. I am more than happy to have him be a large dog that looks mean and happily makes mean noises when a stranger comes around the house. For 90% of people, that would be a major deterrent.
I will continue to work on his obedience skills and maybe get someone to work on agility with him. I was also told that he will make a great assistance dog, which was the secondary reason I got him. I have physical disabilities from spinal stenosis (broke my back in 4 places in the army) and he is large enough and strong enough to help me stand up from a seated position, and pull me when I need some extra umph.
Anyway, thanks for reading and putting in your input. Oh yeah, he went bat stuff crazy when he saw me. He recognized my truck, but he started the wiggle-yelps when I got out. You can't train that reaction into a dog. They either love you that much or they don't.
|10-09-2013 07:59 PM|
|volcano||Its a good thing if they can work with anyone.|
|10-09-2013 11:44 AM|
|Zeeva||Do dogs that train like this only obey their handler or anyone including you--their owner?|
|10-09-2013 11:39 AM|
wrong wasn't part of the equation.
|10-09-2013 11:37 AM|
the OP is sending his dog away for training.
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