|10-12-2013 03:15 AM|
Dear TheJakel.. I totally agree with you regarding your "He might need a different job" I really had some serious doubts about him myself but..the trainer kept assuring me that he was really suited for this type of work. His mother is a very dominant super high energy female bread for police work. She was really rough with him when he was a puppy.. We wondered whether he would survive how rough she was but he has recently taken over as the boss of the house as it should be. She took to protection work in just a few sessions and loves it now. The sire is making his second trip to the nationals this year in CA. Chunk on the other hand has an incredible personality and a really good temperament so I was really unsure as to whether he would actually have the personality to be a protection and Schutzhund dog. We just started his bite work and protection training in late spring and he now gets really fired up on the field. I don't want to be a braggart but I am really proud of the way he has become a confident dog. As we approach the field there are two barns full of dogs and by the second one (35-40 yards away from the blinds.) he has responded to the agitation noises from the handler. He begins to go on alert, begins to growl and bark getting ready to go after the handler on my command. He has worked in the dark at night with the handler using the blind and has begun doing some doggy weight lifting. We attach him to a large suv tire and have him do his bite work pulling the tire about 25 yards or so to make the bite... I can see the real changes in him as he matures and thru his training. I think we made the right choice by putting him into protection and the trainer seems to think we have as well. I would still be training him at this facility even if he wasn't going to become fully protection trained or titled.
Thanks again for your input please don't take this reply as disagreement with your assessment because I truly felt that way during the early part of his training. If he washes out he will still be a great dog and I will find another job for him.
|10-12-2013 01:40 AM|
Biting the helper = good
Biting you in any capacity = bad
Discouraging the dog from biting you doesn't correlate to not biting the helper. I would say the desire to defend, chase, and confidence are the foundations of a good schutzhund dog. Not its quality of bite. I don't know you, your dog, or your trainer. But from your descriptions on the surface it feels as if your dog isn't ready to do any bite work. From you description, the dog sounds nervy and has shown little confidence. Not all dogs should be participating in bite work. Kinda goes into a topic I think cliffson or lee were talking about the watering down of schutzhund and the breed, protection work isn't for all dogs. I'm not saying you have a bad dog but maybe a different job?
Back to the original question.
I would advise like the others have said using a leash if its on for corrections, or placing the dog into the crate. Correcting with your hands/ hand grabbing the scruff will continue the mouthing. The taking the toys away is just teaching that that one toy is reward. I have one tug thats only used during training and that I play with him directly with that only I have access to.
|10-11-2013 08:50 PM|
Thank you for your replies, I appreciate it...As I said earlier, my apologies to those I have offended..
I don't know whether the problem is a major one as far as behavior is considered but we have had to take a special route to get him to learn prey drive on the field. Chunk lives with his mother who has incredible drive, a 7-8 mile run only wets her appetite for work.. She and Chunk play for hours every day so that when time came to start training he had to be taught how to work with me. All his toys were taken away and the only time he got to play with toys was as a reward for work on the field. He has gradually figured it out and has begun to get praises from all the folks in protection training and Schutzhund.
Since his mouthing started up a few weeks ago I have corrected him and he sort of gets it when he wants to... I am hoping that it is only a puberty issue... but... My only fear is because it took so long for him to stop being a Mommy's boy at training, trying to crawl between my legs for cover when our handler came out that I am a little fearful of the really hard corrections. I correct with a light scruff and a sound no.. as had been said earlier a push away from receiving affection which is where he usually begins to mouth. As a young adult, his power bite is incredibly strong which makes him really ideal for work so I really don't want to mess his head up...
On the other hand I still want an affectionate lap dog and one that is safe around older thin skinned people and young kids as well.
Thanks to all for your input...
|10-11-2013 05:26 PM|
|ponyfarm||so, Lisa, is an intact male , 18 months old, considered at the punk stage? LOL...I am feeling that it is!|
|10-11-2013 03:57 PM|
|lhczth||You can do one of two things, correct him for biting you (which, depending on the dog can escalate the problem) or you can tell him "no" and then put him in his crate for a few minutes. This has nothing to do with training in SchH. It is a behavioral/training problem that needs to be addressed in a teenager/punk stage male GSD.|
|10-11-2013 10:31 AM|
Sounds like what you are doing is working and the right thing to do!
|10-11-2013 10:13 AM|
I am following this with interest as I have a bit of a mouthy girl....
She is now 13 months old and doesn't do it nearly as often as she use to, but she would still love to mouth our hands and arms.
I know she is not 'biting' (never latching on or breaking skin), but to a visitor it wouldn't be as clear, and she needs to know that it is never ok to do it.
I did the toy thing when she was younger and teething, but now she is immediately reprimanded when it happens. I say 'NO BITE' very firmly and walk away. It usually happens when she is excited and/or wants attention, so she is gradually learning that it doesn't work and if she tries it, she will not get what she wants. All play or attention will stop.
We don't participate in Schutzhund so I don't know if that would contribute to it, but my dog is from a strong Schutzhund/working line, so I always imagined that is what causes or contributes to the mouthiness.
She gets lots of allowed 'biting' during the day with a variety of toys-flirt pole, kongs on a rope, etc. so it's not like there isn't an opportunity to satisfy the need.
|10-11-2013 09:20 AM|
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|10-11-2013 08:17 AM|
GatorDog, so how do you correct mouthing when dog is over a year?
I have the same question, I think. My dog will put his mouth around my arm if he is laying down and we are playing pet/ rub. I usually tell him "aught" and stuff something else in his mouth. He knows what he is doing and always looks at me as if to say..lets see if I can get away with this. LOL
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