|10-09-2013 09:12 PM|
I work with board certified orthopedic surgeons, and I will tell you HD is probably one of the most argued about things in the field. We DONT know a ton. As far as films, some think OFA is best and pennhip isnt great, aome think OFA is horrible and pennhip is the only way to go. Most sedate, some feel sedation should NEVER be used because it can make hips look luxated that arent.
Zeke is now 6.5 yrs old and just now showing very mild signs, and only sometimes. His films show mild. I probably would never do extreme training with him. But you need to work them, exercise them, build up muscle to support bad hips. We go swimming all the time. You can't let them become couch potatoes just because they have HD.
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|10-09-2013 02:23 PM|
It really doesn't matter if they show symptoms or not, if they have it they have it and personally I wouldn't be doing a lot of strenuous stuff with that dog. I'd absolutely stop jumping that dog...especially at Schutzhund heights. I know people that have mild dysplastic dogs that won't do rally with them because there is a 16 inch jump.
The dog might be able to handle those types of jumps right now, and for the next few years, but you're doing more damage than necessary if you allow that dog to keep jumping/working.
Didn't really want to bring this up but HD is a very pedigree driven thing. And no matter what the breeder does it can still show up. My dog...from a BYB and no grandparents or parents OFA has good/normal. Its tough to blame the breeder for these types of things when they pop up, at the end of the day it is genetics.
The not answering you thing...not sure if you sound angry in your emails/calls or what you're saying, but the truth is, a lot of "big time" breeders won't respond and I've found that many times they could care less about that dog and owner once they get the money for the pup. Your dog...your problems. I'm friends with more than a few breeders in real life and on facebook...the ones on facebook scream from the mountain tops about how great their upcoming litters are...and usually there are a lot of them.
|10-09-2013 12:26 PM|
I believe that. On Ilda's films her left hip looks worse but when showing discomfort it's her right hip that bothers her. My previous trainer had a dog with HD and trained the dog without it showing any signs of discomfort.
Still, it's there. In my case when we tried to continue training it was hard because you can't be sure if hesitation or problems are due to pain, training, temperament. If I pushed her and it ended up she was in pain I'd feel so guilty. I just get too worried about it and that also affects my demeanor which doesn't help. I hesitate too much because I question 'what is this doing to her hip?'. So it throws in another variable into the mix, which may or may not affect the process as a whole, but still it's there.
It also depends on how stoic the dog is. I've seen this in horses too. The pain tolerance varies and some horses same condition one would act like it's dying another individual show little to no signs of pain.
|10-09-2013 11:51 AM|
I've had 2 orthopedic surgeons tell me we really don't fully understand HD fully as there are many cases of dogs that look severe on film that never show a symptom their entire life, and dogs that OFA excellent that show all the symptoms and act as though they are in constant extreme pain...
so I put more faith in observing the dog's performance and symptoms than going "film says mild, have to stop training him". We have a club dog that I'm told has severe HD, but you'd never know it from watching him work. Owned by a vet no less. We believe its just is musculature that holds it all together, so training is actually good for him
|10-09-2013 10:42 AM|
Ilda is mild/moderate and at first it was showing in her gait but with supplements and management the average observer would now never know. As she matured and started to develop muscle mass signs of pain lessened to almost zero. Still, we decided to not pursue IPO protection training as the tugging/bite work probably would speed up the process AnubisStar was discussing.
I know there's mixed feelings about the SV but I'm really hoping that the ZW scoring system they have introduced will help reduce the incidence of HD in our breed.
|10-08-2013 08:37 PM|
|armauro||Do not know- they had same mother- a Bomber daughter- but different sires- she lives with my trainers father- they did not do hips.|
|10-08-2013 08:25 PM|
how is the other pup you had before the male? The female that ended up trainer/relative of trainer? Are her hips OK???
|10-08-2013 08:20 PM|
|JakodaCD OA||doesn't surprise me..nothing surprises me anymore.|
|10-08-2013 08:12 PM|
What is interesting now is how the breeder will not return calls or email yet he is on facebook bragging about his next breeding with his star male dog and everyone comments WOW!
|10-08-2013 07:42 PM|
sounds like a pretty obvious read though....when the femoral head is not in the socket it is a no brainer....
One of my biggest problems is that when a dog gets popular and heavily bred - the genetics for hip issues are there....having a FN dog 6 or 7 times in a pedigree is a red flag...the showlines are heavily backmassed on Jeck Noricum...and yet people are surprised when bad hips show up....I am paranoid about hips....so I 'cry wolf' alot on pedigrees....
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