|10-09-2013 08:22 AM|
So to what Gwenhwyfair and Merciel are saying - I have worked with humans in my professional life. With humans, when shaping behaviors, you aren't allowed to (in my field anyway) pinch their ears, push them, yank their head, etc, etc, while at the same time, have a need to shape, control, mold their behaviors for their continued progress, safety and learning. So you have to rely on your brain.
That is my habit. When I got my first dog, I was told, when I went to a great trainer of Rottweilers, that this dog was not going to respond to physical correction (in a way that worked - it was going to result in blowback or shutdown or both), so to use what I use on humans, and see how it works. It completely worked. Two years of using more old school (early 90's) methods, switching to hands off, calmer methods, great gains and results (from wanting to bite kids to being tolerant and safe with kids as one example) that stayed a lifetime. Did not change the dog as the core of who he was - but neither did the corrections - and in the end, that dog was the dog I wanted (he could be kind of a jerk - I like that!).
With both people and dogs, clarity is needed. Clarity does not have to be opposite of praise or treats (corrections) to be clear. People and dogs read faces and body language. People and dogs respond to enthusiasm, and lack of. The question to ask ourselves is how can I be perfectly clear with my dog, and do that without a correction? The answer will vary due to differences in dogs. And the answer is often partially that clarity is paired with consistency - not just in training formally - but in how we deal with the dog all the time.
|10-08-2013 10:17 PM|
Ironically I tried to give all my pets (from horses to hamsters) the treatment I wish I had received more of....I was saving me, through them.
Mostly I value fairness and loyalty and while not perfect it has always been my core desire to treat my animals the way I wish to be treated.
|10-08-2013 10:14 PM|
|Carolina GSD||Hi there. New to this group. What I heard you saying, is that your dog is HAPPY because you have finally taken a LEADERSHIP position. You have standards for his performance. And it is no longer for him to GUESS what they are (which is stressful for him).|
|10-08-2013 09:22 PM|
In AKC trials, no corrections are tolerated, it will get you NQd or DQd. And depending on the venue, praise can be used or can't be used, but no touching the dog.
Of course it is pretty quickly over, so I don't think the dogs are too freaked out by it. And when we praise intermittently, the dog keeps trying to do good until the end, when we can praise, pet, etc.
I usually don't even bring treats to a show, if you have them in the ring, you're done. But I will buy them a hot dog after all is done.
|10-08-2013 09:13 PM|
Because we seldom train that way, during a trial, dogs are confused.
I can understand the stress felt on both ends of the leash during trialing, it is so unbalanced!
|10-08-2013 08:56 PM|
You need to be fair.
That means correcting when necessary and praising when necessary.
There is no balance anywhere without the other.
|10-08-2013 08:35 PM|
And don't forget, dogs are NOT robots...our feelings definitely go down the leash.
So for every great session, there are probably 3 or more that are a work in progress.
I trialed this past weekend and the obedience was horribly embarrassing. My dog was so disengaged with me, probably because he thought he did something wrong due to my nerves and tight expression. Having a handler sensitive dog is great, but it is also a challenge!
|10-08-2013 08:02 PM|
It'd probably help if I had some actual idea what my methods ought to look like "on the ground," though. It's all been in flux again lately. Seems like every time I'm about to imagine I don't completely suck at this, I get reminded that nope, actually, still bad.
|10-08-2013 07:28 PM|
|Liesje||I'm sure everyone's experiences shape how they train. I also think that people who train a lot and who have trained many dogs tend to over the years obtain dogs that they know are more and more likely to "fit" their mold. I have not been training dogs long and already am this way. I look for specific traits that seem to mesh well with the methods and tools that I am most comfortable with. I do lots of freeshaping in obedience (retrieves are shaped, no forced retrieves or play-based retrieves), I prefer using toy rewards and engaging with the dog over using treat rewards, I use a prong collar but don't use e-collars, etc. The actual balance of operant conditioning entirely depends on the dog and the behavior, though.|
|10-08-2013 07:12 PM|
|onyx'girl||Dogs have FEELINGS too! Neuroscientist reveals research that our canine friends have emotions just like us | Mail Online|
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