|10-13-2013 02:38 AM|
Yes, I've seen a BIG change in Keeta after having her involved in SchH for a few months.
She improved! Big improvement in confidence, in dog manners, in self-control and focus on task. She became a happier dog, more self-assured, better able to cope to with new situations and new environments, and allowed me to have more control over her (she was very impulsive - the biggest change was her learning impulse control). This is a dog that spent the first year of her life on a chain with no socialization or training. So doing schH brought her out to her potential, but it would not have been able to change a dog with a weak temperament into a strong temperament. And proper training will not destroy the base temperament of a dog. Either they have a good temperament, or they don't.
|10-13-2013 01:19 AM|
|10-11-2013 01:50 AM|
|10-11-2013 01:39 AM|
Here is a perfect example. This is an SDA dog that I have decoyed regularly for about a year now. I just got her tonight about three hours before this picture was taken. I'm going to trial her in a couple weeks so she's staying with me until then. She has a solid temperament and seems perfectly content to be hanging out with me.
|10-10-2013 09:49 PM|
I appreciate the reply's and insight. My last GSD wasn't a "nutball," but he was very protective to the point that I didn't trust him completely. This was completely my fault, as I realized later that I made mistakes while training. I've learned a lot since then.
My current GSD (Chance), is a New Skete pup and he's pretty incredible. Great temperament and his obedience training has been very easy and he rolls with everything I expose him to....he's a very stable dog.
Based on the insightful reply's, I'll slow things down a bit and not make the same mistakes twice.
|10-10-2013 05:58 PM|
|Liesje||I know some that are. Most SchH dogs I know are not because most of my friends doing SchH are training dogs that are also their family pet/companion, but a few are what I would call "nutballs" and generally the people I've known that own them don't care and like them this way. They are dogs that have a very low threshold, generally higher prey kind of dogs, high energy, high drive (too much, leaking all the time). They are either kennel dogs or crated unless actively being worked or exercised. They tend to also have bad habits that don't get addressed because again, the owners don't care (bad targeting of toys and constantly biting, always jumping up and bouncing off people, slamming into people and things...not aggressive stuff just stuff that dogs who live in a home with a family are not allowed to do from early on). Whether they'd be different dogs if raised differently with more expectations, I don't know. Some I think yes, others I think no. Most are fine when kenneled or crated (they CAN settle, just not unless they are actually restrained in that way) but a bull in a china shop in a house. To me a dog that can "settle" and turn "off" proves it by living in a normal household with multiple people and dogs and doesn't need physical cues/barriers like a kennel or crate in order to shut up and relax.|
|10-10-2013 04:50 PM|
|Catu||I'd like to know what "nutball" in the context of this thread means too...|
|10-10-2013 12:04 PM|
all my Schutzhund dogs have been stable and appropriately social....Csabre, for example, could care less about people petting her, but gravitates towards children in public and loves them....Basha, (IPO3, Sch3 - dam and 2nd dam of MANY titled dogs!) loves everyone and will climb into a strangers lap at the slightest encouragement....
The temperament is genetic...training does not change the genetics! Training CAN - if you want - make a social dog more aloof or keep him from socializing freely - but it does not make him different deep down...the 'nutballs' are probably bred for over the top extreme extreme teeth chattering prey drive to the exclusion of other characteristics and some people like that and want that for sport work...personally, not MY cup of tea!
|10-10-2013 11:26 AM|
My IPO3 dog routinely plays with children even though he was never exposed to them as he matured. He has done Meet the Breeds at Javits center where he met over 1000 people in a span of two days with not even a hint of stress.
He is calm and mellow at home, but turns it on for work. Bite work did not make him a "nutball".
He can pretty much go anywhere and you'd never even think he's schutzhund trained.
I guess what I'm trying to say is good schutzhund training does not turn your dog into a monster, just the opposite,
|10-10-2013 11:23 AM|
|Chris Wild||Training does not change temperament. Many dogs will change as they mature, and it's not uncommon for a dog who is very social when young to become more aloof with maturity but that is growing up, not training. A dog who is sound and stable between the ears will always be sound and stable between the ears, whether it does bitework or not.|
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