|09-29-2013 05:32 PM|
LOL! That was a good.
Well, I see dogs in both lines which I think are ugly AND dogs in both lines which look beautiful....
For the record, I think that dog looks gorgeous in black!!!
|09-29-2013 05:25 PM|
There is a difference in the U.S. which should be noted. In the U.S. we do have one extra subset those of you in Europe do not have, American Show Lines.
A good many people in the U.S. aren't even aware of the different lines.
Those who do know there are show and working, when referring to 'sloping backs' are usually thinking of American Showlines.
Among the more GSD savvy people who have some knowledge of the three lines, I'd say the ASLs get the worst comments, then the WGSLs.
I have spoken to people personally (IRL) who said they have been discriminated against in IPO clubs with their WGSL or ASL dogs.
I'd say generally this board leans to WLs but there are a lot of people here with WGSLs too.
Perhaps, Harsh, you and your friends should visit here more often. One of the great things about the internet and forums is to share information with people from other countries!
|09-28-2013 08:46 PM|
Yes we have, but most of our SL people don't share your opinion, because they are not interested in WL dogs... to them they are ugly "wrong" colored dogs, and sadly, for most of them that is the only thing that matters.
We have some nice SL dogs to.
|09-28-2013 08:20 PM|
|09-28-2013 07:29 PM|
Well... they started bashing black and sable colored GSDs so I just played with them a little I never told them that it is the picture of a same dog
I just done some Photoshop manipulation.
|09-28-2013 07:11 PM|
How did you do that and what color is your dog again??
|09-28-2013 06:59 PM|
In my country, working lines are considered ugly LOL
WL are not popular in my country. Here, SL people often do buy IPO because they are lazy to work with their dogs and because it is cheaper that way. They just learn their dogs to catch sleeve because dogs will be tested on sleeve in working class on specialty show, the rest of the program does not interest them. Some of them don't even know the difference between IPO and agility and their dogs do have IPO ...
Of course, there are some good, honest SL breeders here, but they are rare.
I'm not a fan of SL people (in my country), they are constantly diminishing WL people success, calling WL dogs ugly coyotes and above all, they are not working with their dogs. On the other hand, WL people don't pay much attention to conformation. For me, GSD (SL or WL) is beautiful working dog, and balance must exist.
On some Balkan forum I posted two pictures of VA1 Elly del Seprio
First, original, and they all said "what a nice dog, great conformation"
Few weeks later, same picture but I painted dog in black , and they said "well not a bad dog, but not so good conformation"
|09-28-2013 06:13 PM|
It depends really. If their hocks touch the floor when they walk, it isn't healthy. You will see American SL dogs like this. W.German Show Line is closer to E.German WL in appearance.
Stacking the dog will give it an appearance of having an arched back regardless of whether it be ASL, WGSL, or EGWL.
My female is WGSL, my male is mixed. Father is ALS, Mother is EGWL.
Here is a photo of my male.
|09-28-2013 05:52 PM|
Yeah, there's some bad examples of bite-work in show-line dogs and I think it's good that many owners and breeders acknowledge that. It should make them want more show-line dogs that have that temper and prey drive to work better. And, of course, the health is one important thing...
In Finland it's too a myth that working-line is all the way healthy, no health problems at all. All because they have straight back. Dare to say anything else and others start to speak only about show-line problems, hip dysplasia, too curved backs... I think gsd should have LITTLE curved back, not extreme way. But some people just keep saying: "No, they should have STRAIGHT back, STRAIGHT BACK! Because then they are healthier!". Most of these people don't have German shepherd's, they don't know anything about gsd stacking and showing, don't know anything about ipo or schh ... They just have dogs of other breeds and have heard and read some "facts" on the internet. The grey seems to be the only gsd color that's IN here.
In one Finnish forum me and my other sl-gsd friends have been ridiculed and accused of cruelty to animals. Just because those pictures of show-line dogs are beautiful in our minds... One even dared to say to other sl-gsd owner that her dog's rear end looks so bad that it will CERTAINLY die painfully and it's all her fault because she was so stupid to have that dog (that dog has A Hips and clear elbows). That's just cruel to say, but me and my other friend were bad guys because we dared to state that that's nasty thing to say...
Need to even say I was angry? Yeah... And I am still angry...
|09-27-2013 06:39 PM|
|robk||I think those are very nice looking dogs that you posted pictures of. My own dogs are working line dogs however, I believe that a good dog is a good dog. Having said that, most people that I know, acknowledge that showline dogs are not going to be as competitive in IPO (in general) than working line dogs (again, this is a generalization). Even the showline dog owners that I know acknowledge this.|
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