|09-26-2013 12:10 AM|
I must have phrased my post wrong. I don't think it's ever a good idea to roll the dice and see if it works. The intent of my original post was to encourage your pursuit.
It's great that you have a goal and a specific purpose. I'm trying to respond and address the "does a market exist" question. I'm unfamiliar with the professional market, and how working dogs and brokers work. What I was trying to say was, if you were to go abouts this as a hobby (but still with a purpose, breeding for known traits, researching lines, all the good things good breeders do), I THINK the active companion dog market can take your washed out dogs so that you can cover some of the expenses associated with developing good green dogs. Whatever the "green dogs" standard might be, I'm unfamiliar with, and will leave to you professionals to discuss.
Surely, even places that develop green dogs have washed out dogs that aren't suitable for the purpose you want to raise them for (in this case, police work or sport).
What I mean is that dogs that aren't suitable for work for whatever reason can be finished/trained to go to companion homes.
I don't expect to pay $500 for a dog that has been socialized, well-cared for, started CORRECTLY for all purposes, and presumably has solid temperament. I paid $2000 for a puppy who had almost none of the above. I would glady pay 5000-8000 for a dog who washed out of work, but was deemed suitable for active companionship and given training.
If I were in the market, the fact that you raised your dogs to be dogs that serve a purpose is a definite plus. (isn't this what we look for in good breeders? breeding for a purpose) The fact that I got a washed out one (assuming I know why the dog washed out and assuming the dog is still compatible with my needs), I would be willing to PAY MORE for a dog out of your program than random JOE SCHMOE raising dogs to 1.
I hope I've made myself clear. I don't mean to encourage throwing dogs together and then raising them for a year haphazardly. I mean that if you do pursue this, I think there IS a market for active companions that don't make it to work IF you were willing to put a bit more work into it.
I remmeber when my family bought our first dog, this was back in 1997-98. We spent several thousand, and my mother then worked with the facility that housed my dog to transfer training for a long while before bringing the dog home. That arrangement worked well for my busy family, and when I look for my next dog, it will be under a similar arrangement. I know of other busy professionals who want the same - a solid healthy dog, with basic training who doesn't require the constant supervision of a tiny dog. Because these people GENERALLY have jobs (which is why they were too busy for puppies to begin with) the price point can be set a bit higher.
|09-25-2013 06:11 PM|
exactly ! totally agree " This thread is discussing developing dogs that are consistently being placed in police/military work and also succeeding in sport, not a roll of the dice to see if it works out, spending a year on it, and then selling it for $500 to a companion home"
You really have to know your dogs, your lines, to reduce or eliminate holding on to the wrong dogs .
Companion interested people generally want a pup.
|09-25-2013 06:05 PM|
The reason that many year old dogs with training cost so much money is that they do take a lot of time. Just think of all the time we pump into our dogs to get them where we need them to be. Anything advanced can almost be considered a full time job IMO. So the person probably needs to be compensated for that full time job. Then again you can't really train a dog for 40 hours a week for a year and then only get $10000 for it if that's your only means of income. So that's why it has to be a larger scale operation, most likely involving dogs that are ready every week or month (clearly not all dogs are bred by the training facility).
And the "adults available" section...usually has to do with washed out dogs. Either because they couldn't do the work, or because they have some sort of conformation fault. And sure, there is a market for those types of dogs, but its not that big. This thread is discussing developing dogs that are consistently being placed in police/military work and also succeeding in sport, not a roll of the dice to see if it works out, spending a year on it, and then selling it for $500 to a companion home.
There are plenty of people willing to pay thousands for a true "green" dog that they can then go on to finish and title. But there aren't that many that are going to pay thousands for a dog that washed out of a breeding program for whatever reason. I'd be very happy to take a year old dog from a breeder and give it a home...but I'd look at it as more of a rescue situation and I would not pay a true puppy price or more for that dog, I'd expect the breeder to just be happy that they don't have to pay for the costs of owning that dog anymore.
|09-25-2013 02:47 PM|
|09-25-2013 02:45 PM|
|shepherdmom||Glad to see "green dog" isn't what I was thinking from the title of this thread. I was afraid people were wanting to make dogs more "energy efficient",|
|09-25-2013 02:06 PM|
Not that I have any expertise whatsoever, but I think if people WERE breeding and holding back and raising, the companion dog market is huge. What does not fit the needs of work as they grow up could go to pet homes.
I see almost every breeder site with a "adults available" button, and no one EVER has one available. I think many busy pet homes with 2 working folks who can't do puppy training (but could do brush up and maintain an adult dog) would love to have a well-raised, basic OB trained dog.
The sites that do sell this type of dog charges very high prices, (think 10k) for a basic OBed adult dog with reasonable temperament. Any green dogs that you sell to police/specialized departments could even double as advertising for the regular folk.
I think that is the best business model for a small scale operation - a 2 pronged approach.
|09-25-2013 01:50 PM|
I saw someone I know advertising a "green" dog but he posted a bunch of video clips of the dog doing obedience and SchH style bitework.
|09-25-2013 12:28 PM|
|09-25-2013 08:46 AM|
hand picked, naturally strong drives, wide exposure to environments and situations , bomb proof , prelimed , ready for evaluation -- hours and hours of time off property -- that is the "green" dog that I present for work (police or specialized)
currently working on one
have another one , actually Gus's brother , green dog ready to go , destined for further training - possibly SWAT , west coast USA , a repeat department . Cost? a fraction of the 5 to 7 thousand that someone mentioned.
|09-25-2013 01:08 AM|
Haha you may have a point. I just figured green is such a popular color right now that I would just jump on the band wagon.
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