|09-19-2013 05:51 PM|
I don't know what he meant but what I meant was that 100% recall is my goal and I'm not depending on the fact that my boy now, at 9 months, is attached to me.
I'm going under the assumption that this will go away at some point and not banking on it. He does everything yours does, looks back constantly, doesn't go too far. But the older he gets the longer it takes him to come to me from a big distraction.
He still looks back but doesn't come as fast as he used to. So I'm assuming it will escalate.
I actually believe (or want to believe) that perfect recall is possible. So I'm working on it same way i'd work on it if I had a husky (who venture out often and far and don't look back and don't come back as easily as GSDs).
|09-19-2013 04:25 PM|
In your situation I would probably use the e-collar over the long line, but that's just because I know how my girl is when we walk off leash and she would get caught up in every bramble not to mention dragging it through mud and swamps and all manner of things lol! Really though, I don't think either of those tools is necessary (in the sense that you can accomplish the same goals without them, not that they aren't helpful or sometimes make the process faster).
A lot of people like to have two recall words, one to mean "come here NOW" and one less formal to mean "hey c'mon" but it's fine if he takes a couple more sniffs before heading back. The more formal "emergency" recall word has to be really protected and frequently ingrained so it becomes a reflex for the dog to run to you when he hears it (kind of how kids in school develop a reflex to the bell between classes).
To train the immediate recall word, you would start with no distractions (like inside your house) and calling her for things she LOVES (dinner, a piece of chicken, ball time, cuddles, etc). You have to be really excited like she just won the lottery! Then you can start doing small distractions, maybe you're in your yard or on a leashed walk with a mildly interesting scent, and you get all excited backing away from her maybe giving a little tug on the leash to encourage urgency if you're on a walk and give her something awesome when she gets to you even if you were only a couple steps away. You have to work on it all the time and build distractions gradually, but eventually that word becomes like magic and it's just a habit for him to immediately come running when he hears it (some people like to use a whistle instead of a word). Anytime you don't think he'll come right away, though, just use the less formal recall so you don't weaken the immediate one while you're still building up the confidence and reflex in it. I also think it's nice to let the dog mosey back if you're just out playing around and you don't need him urgently
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|09-19-2013 03:53 AM|
(Caveat: this is not me asking if I should I ever have the confidence to allow my dog to be in a dangerous situation on the basis that she will return, it is not; even if I had 100% faith in her recall I would always bear in mind that anything can happen. This is more me wanting to know if I can expect 100% recall or if I should be happy one day with 99% in distracting, non-working conditions without it being a training failure).
|09-19-2013 03:34 AM|
|Sookie||She is 9 months now, and her venture range remains constant at about 10-15 meters tops. This is an off-leash walking venture range, not off-leash playing range. When i tell her to "go play" and throw things for her, then she goes off and chases things I throw and goes to the edge of the field, but she never goes out of eyesight from me and has never tried to leave the field - which she easily could do if motivated. She is very clear on the difference between an off-leash walk and off-leash play (is this ok? should there be no off-leash play until total recall 100%?). When walking off-leash I would say she looks back around every 15-20 seconds (I just counted that out loud and she is staring at me like I've gone crazy). She is really good with recall on the whole, if I had to honestly estimate, I would say 95% of the time. When she doesn't come it is usually when we are playing in a big field and she is off leash and I have thrown her something down the hill and instead of returning with the stick right away she spots a rabbit or something (usually a pile of badger poop to roll in) and when I call she just keeps rolling until I walk away then she comes running. I am very very careful not to call her to "come" for anything bad - I read all about this before I got her because my old dog Hayden was a whippet/lab mix and was pretty crap at recall which I did not want to have a repeat of!|
|09-18-2013 10:34 PM|
|volcano||My problem with this is that I burnt the command by asking to come for things she doesnt like. Things like ear cleaning, she was even scared of her tug because I was stupid and lured her with the tug in one hand and the ear cleaner in the other. So just sneak up and grab the dog and dont call it for any negative stuff.|
|09-18-2013 10:21 PM|
find a trainer. remember "when your dog isn't doing what you want
you have to stop and ask yourself what am i doing wrong". i read
|09-18-2013 08:30 PM|
I think as he ages he will walk away even farther and look back even less frequently. So if yours is a pup don't count on this staying. It will to some extent but not enough for you to have control at all times
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|09-18-2013 08:01 PM|
|Sookie||She is really good at recall that is why I let her off so much; she never goes far and always turns to look to see where I am. and like I said, if she doesn't come right away, when I turn my back and walk she comes chasing. But it just when she is in crazy hyper mode that she will ignore the command, which is worrying. I will try the long line more; I do want her to get that command down! I would never use an e collar, that just isn't for me. I think her habit of always looking back is what makes me so comfortable having her off leash - but of course we do live in the middle of nowhere which makes practice easier! Thanks for this, it all really helps, everyone here is so nice and helpful, this is a great resource!|
|09-18-2013 07:30 PM|
I don't know that a dog can or will ever have 100% solid recall. My puppy never ever had a line on him when he was young, and he just stayed with me all the time, or I could call him back to me easily.
When he was 7 months old a teen with a yorkie came around the corner and the yorkie was going off bouncing back and forth on the leash like a toy on a flirtpole....what a temptation!
Karlo would not call off and after me telling the teen to "please pick up your dog!" 3x's he finally did. Karlo didn't go after the toy(I mean yap dog) once he was still and I was able to grab Karlo and get him away. After that I started using a collar at least!
Another time he chased after a female who was fetching her ball when he was supposed to be in the long down, he wouldn't call off then either...until the females owner firmly told him to stop. Female was in heat, which maybe played into it. So we are at 98%?
If you train with an ecollar, I do believe getting a solid recall is fairly successful. But the dog definitely needs the right foundation taught w/ecollar for it to work effectively.
|09-18-2013 07:08 PM|
|Sookie||It seems like using a long line to reel in is essential for 100% recall then? I don't worry about Sookie getting tangled in it, it's more that we do so much walking through the forest and games where I run and hide and my bf releases her to "find it" and she has to spend sometimes ten - fifteen minutes scrambling through the woods to get to me - I guess we could still do this but just make sure he holds the lead and follows her? We also walk through an unharvested bean field that we let her off leash to go single-file through because the long line gets hopelessly caught up in the bean plants otherwise. If there is no other way to get 100% recall then we will definitely switch to only on the long lead until she gets it, it just seems a shame as we do so much off lead work now that we all really enjoy. She is such a tracker and that sniff and find wears her out for the whole night! She is the most insanely high drive dog I have ever met - the amount of exercise and mind stimulation she requires is intense and I worry a long lead or change in routine may make her less worn out (I am sure that's not true, it's just my fear). Also, do you give high value treats for the recall or praise or toy or combo? Thanks so much! (I also fear the long lead because using it a month or so ago in the backyard she got it around me, a bramble, and a wooden swing; I got caught up and got rope burn from the thorny vine that wrapped round my bare ankles and legs and the wind knocked out of me against the swing - it must have looked like a comedy sketch).|
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