|09-23-2013 11:16 AM|
No dog should be tied out in public anyway if its a pp dog EVER
you can train any dog with good aggression to nail someoene while tied out very easy, but then you cant EVER tie them out.
A totally unsocial dog isnt a pp dog thats a sentry dog, you cant take that dog everywhere with you because it will nail/maim/rip into someone for touching them or sometimes looking at them wrong. Also no pp dog social or not if its a good dog is going to be stolen from its home, yard or car or guard area UNLESS the person is using a dart OR one of those dog sticks. Then they can pretty much take any dog.
By unsocial I dont mean aloof I just mean aggressive in public. Or to strangers. Social to me just means a dog that does not nail people in public unless asked to or unless there is a threat. Or someone is breaking in or crosses the property line. The dog is still aloof and not wagging at people.
Unsocial dogs are not public dogs to me. They are dangerous.
Also chip I think you might confuse a lot of aggressive dogs for just scared. There are few real man eaters out there most of them back down though and get scared. The bravest ones I know could be taken in public areas without ripping people up. They still dont like strangers petting them. My dog doesnt like strangers petting her usuallly.
|09-16-2013 10:25 AM|
|Chip Blasiole||It really depends on what you are using the dog for. If you are using the dog to protect when you are transporting money or need protection due to a likely potential threat, you would want a dog that is not social and could not be left tied out unattended. If you want a social dog that only engages when it sees a threat, then that type of dog could easily be taken by a stranger when tied out alone. Frankly, I see no reason to tie a dog out alone while the handler runs an errand. It is unreasonable to expect a dog to discern that a stranger is stealing him. That is why some people who have dogs with the genetics for a serious protection dog with social aggression don't see the need to have people ever pet their dog as a pup, so petting from strangers is not part of the socialization process. This type of dog is becoming very rare and is a potential liability, but a stranger will not walk off with this type of dog.|
|09-16-2013 12:35 AM|
Strange where I am no one bothers a tied out dog. Used to leave my old bitch tied out all the time when we went into stores. She would just sit or down and mind her own business. No one ever touched or bothered her. She was not overtly threatening but was clearly a GSD. Guess common sense isnt so common...
|09-16-2013 12:28 AM|
|David Taggart||You can train your dog to protect your belonings. You should train her to remain in a sitting or down position while she sees how you walk away and dissapear round the corner. Start it slowly by simply walking around her. When you start giving her command "Watch it!" you would need a helper for that. Normally, it is an unknown person for your dog, working in the club. He will try snatching your (bag) from your dog, and if your dog barks - you praise her. She musn't get up, just bark, warning that person.|
|09-16-2013 12:11 AM|
I relate to this thought process as I travel over multiple states in my truck with my dog. On a cool day I can leave him in the truck for a quick trip into an account or a store, but when it's 105* outside he needs to be left outside in teh shade. This has only happened 1 time in a year, but still, the possibility is there.
That one time I tied his leash to a bike rack 20 yards from the front of the coffee shop I went into, where I could see him the whole time. But with my old dog I could "park" her outside the door of a store and she would not leave, or bite anyone.
With Gunnar I'm worried since I started PP training when he was 16 weeks old and he bites hard. But on the flip side I socialize him in different scenarios every chance I get from the hardware store to the soccer field. But I'd be afraid to "park" Gunnar like I did my old girl. Plus, how would you test your dog in this scenario? I can't have a friend come try to steal him, he knows them too well. And I'd be afraid to ask a kid to go pet him without me being on the other end of the leash. I think the lack of ability to test Gunnar will keep me in a bind. A service dog apron might be my answer, and take him in wherever I go.
|09-15-2013 09:26 AM|
|Derekc29r||I've taken my Coco into small stores to make quick purchases. When they say we do not allow dogs I politely respond I apologize I'll grab my items and leave. Usually the people are ok with her as she just walks with me and is probably cleaner and better groomed than most humans.. haha|
|09-15-2013 09:05 AM|
|09-15-2013 09:01 AM|
i left my dog near the door of the local store. from the door to
the case where the water is 6 steps or so. when i enter the store
i look at one of the cashiers and i point to my dog. the cashiers know
that my point (human hand signals) means my dog is outside. the cashiers can see him. i grab the water and get in line with my dog in full veiw. one time i'm looking at my dog and a few people passing by stop to pet him. a couple of older woen and a young child are looking at my dog. the young child and the older lady bend over to look at my dog's tags. i come
out of the store and say he's with me. i thanked them for being concerned.
now should a dog be reactive to to someone who checks his tags or to someone who tries to move him? don't get me wroung. i totally agree with keeping an eye on your dog but if your dog is out of your sight for a few minutes i think they should hold "stay" untill the next command.
|09-15-2013 08:52 AM|
KM LOL, doggiedad LOL
I agree, Unless my dog is IN my site at all times, I'm not leaving him/her on the sidewalk while I run into a store. To many variables.
Mine isn't ppd trained, but I can tell you, if I DID do that, you'd have a heck of a time getting her to go with you
|09-15-2013 08:44 AM|
i love it when you call me "sugar".
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