|09-04-2013 01:29 AM|
I generally use STAY.
In obedience work, sometimes you get that very obedient dog who doesn't want to come because you said STAY. So we use some subtle double-commands. When we say STAY, we then cross our arms across our chest and walk away, every single time. This means DON'T MOVE, I AM COMING BACK.
If we are going to call the dog, we use the term WAIT, and walk away with our arms down at our sides, this gets the dog ready to be called. We want the dog to come front, but we can't use "COME FRONT" so I just use the word FRONT. This means come to me and sit in front of me. Where COME just means come to me. The FRONT releases the dog from the WAIT command, which was only holding him by a thread anyway.
|09-04-2013 12:43 AM|
With Lola, we were doing "Stay", but after watching various videos, we picked up on a point from solidk9training.com that a "stay" should be implied for any and all commands given. That just made sense to us...
It was slow going at first because she wouldn't want to be still since she was just a puppy and from a working line that seemingly needs to be "broken" in terms of her ridiculously strong-willed nature. However, she is now at the point where I can toss food/treats on the floor or throw a toy and she won't move until I tell her to. We do it for getting water and food/sit/down. We've also conditioned her to sit when walking through doors, up and down stairs and stopping when walking on the leash... consistency has been the key with her. Now she will approach a door or the stairs and instinctively sit and look at us for permission to cross the invisible wall in her way(as Maik said above).
Another thing I've noticed is that she has started lying down when a car passes because when she was initially lunging at cars due to prey instinct or for whatever reason, I started having her lie down when I saw one coming from off in the distance to keep her calm. Now I'm trying to get her to keep walking when one is just passing by. Walks when everyone is leaving/entering the neighborhood in the morning/night are interesting.
|09-03-2013 11:25 AM|
|Maik||Interesting discussion.....I will add one more wrinkle. I never use either wait or stay because I believe they are unnecessary and redundant. When I tell them to sit, or lie down, they are not to move unless I give them another command. For example, at any door, they are to sit, until I release them to pass through it. I can not think of many examples of where I would want them to "stay" without sitting.|
|09-03-2013 12:41 AM|
|LeoRose||I use "wait" to mean "hang on a minute, until I release you", usually for eating and doors. I use "stay" to mean "don't move from either this spot or position until I tell you otherwise".|
|09-03-2013 12:33 AM|
|Gretchen||I keep it simple and just use stay.|
|09-03-2013 12:16 AM|
|llombardo||Stay is used for longer time frames. Wait is more for a brief time.|
|09-03-2013 12:02 AM|
We think stay means don't move until released. So if you tell the dog stay and then go grocery shopping, that dog should still be in the stay position when you return (that of course would be incredible).
Wait is more like a sit here until I'm out the door and gone, then do whatever you want.
By the way, I don't ever personally use the stay command because if I tell Molly to sit or down for example, she can't move until released. So down (or sit) coupled with stay is redundant.
|09-02-2013 11:16 PM|
Wow i feel bad for my dog, she really could use more consistency. I will have to think about what i want and can expect from her and go from there.
Thanks for the reply Cassidy's mom, I like the concept of your wait especially on walks. because usually instead i will ask her to come if she is getting to far. Which is good, but perhaps i could say hold up or something.
|09-02-2013 11:10 PM|
You can use whatever command you want to mean whatever you like, as long as you're consistent in your criteria for that particular command, so train the way it makes sense to you.
For me, stay implies that the dog remain in a particular place in a particular position: sit/stay, down/stay, stand/stay, regardless of whether I return to the dog or release the dog to come to me.
I use wait in more of a "do not cross this invisible line" way. If I have my dog wait at the door while I walk out to get the mail or the newspaper, I don't care if they actually stay right there. They can turn away from the door and walk further into the house if they want, they just can't cross the threshold. I use wait as I set down their food bowls before releasing them to eat, (although this is actually a default behavior now, I don't actually have to tell them to do it anymore), before letting them jump into the car or out of the car, or going in or out of the house. I also use wait when the dogs are ahead of us at the park and I want them to stop moving until we catch up, and then I'll release them to continue walking.
|09-02-2013 11:04 PM|
|VTGirlT||Actually this is what "kikopup" does with her dogs. Which i thought was a good idea. But she has the habit of sitting and than laying down after, i think its because she finds it to be more relaxing? especially if she is tired? And so i let it slide.. Yeah, bad idea on my part.. So now she still does that, and i tell her to sit again and usually she will, and then after that she will 2-3 times try to down again. Than she will stick with the sit position. So this is all my fault for not showing her what i really wanted right from the beginning so i really have to back track. Because having them stay in the position you asked for would be ideal in any situation.|
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