|08-31-2013 10:39 PM|
I was just arguing with the logic of the sentence, I can't explain this any better but IMO it was a slick trick to prove a point.
I actually don't like the idea of messing with their food, I think there are better ways to go about it. Besides, IMO that's just a symptom of a bigger problem. Leerburg (I'm sure uu guys noticed I love Ed Frawley and Michael Ellis lol), for example, says that it means there are pack structure problems.
I don't have much space in our apartment where my dog would get a spot that he can be in undisturbed, so I feed him in the kitchen and I'm always there doing something, so I'm walking by him countless times. And I never messed with his food.
And I do have problems with my dog, so what's my case then? Why is he not guarding? He guards from cats and other dogs but not us.
It's complicated, different dogs, different situations. I'm a novice though, I don't pretend to know much lol
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|08-31-2013 08:36 PM|
No worries, lalachka. I get your point, it's just that time and time again people promote messing with their dogs' food as a way to prevent guarding issues, and claim that because their dogs are not resource guarders it's proof that the method works. Well, not necessarily - with the right dog it won't matter, but with the wrong dog it could backfire big time!
I have no proof that the foundation training I do will prevent resource guarding, but it makes sense to me that if my dogs have no fear of me suddenly taking away something that I've given them, they will not feel the need to guard anything from me. It just seems prudent to me, and I don't see any way it can backfire, no matter what kind of dog you have. I teach them to trust me by showing them that I'm trustworthy.
I've posted numerous times about Halo, who is the most food motivated dog we've ever had. If we going to have a resource guarder, she would have been it. But instead, she's the one who brings me bones to hold for her while she chews them, she created a game where she lets me take the bone away and give it back to her a few times, she stops chewing her bully stick and looks up at me, thumping her tail on the floor if I interrupt her, and the same if I walk by while she's eating and pat her on the side - she looks at me happily, while wagging her tail, she's the one who brings me balls to take away and give back to her.
|08-31-2013 08:16 PM|
I can't coherently explain what bothers me about it but something does))))) I should've just kept quiet)))))
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|08-31-2013 08:07 PM|
If you take a dog that has a propensity for guarding, it's possibly to have that go either way depending on how you deal with it - you can make it go away by teaching your dog that you can be trusted around his food and other valued resources, or you can make it worse by showing him that you may at any time, for any or no reason at all, take away something that he values. Which dog do you think is more likely to become a resource guarder?
I've always had very food motivated dogs, but I've never had a problem with resource guarding. Could that be a coincidence? Maybe. Or it could also be that because I don't know what my brand new puppy's personality is going to be, I do tons of proactive foundation work rather than waiting to see what happens.
|08-31-2013 07:50 PM|
|Smithie86||Dogs are fed and left alone. Would you like someone messing on and around your head when you were eating?|
|08-31-2013 07:43 PM|
|Chicagocanine||I don't bug my dogs when they're eating but I also don't feed them away from things, they eat in the kitchen near the sink unless it's raw food, then usually outside. The only time my hand might go near the bowl after I've set I down is to add something tasty in to the bowl, so my dogs associate me approaching their bowl with them getting someone yummy.|
|08-31-2013 07:12 PM|
My puppy growled at me the first week I had her after I gave her a bone.
I dont bother her when she eats, have never stuck my hands in her bowl, but after that instance for high value things I did teach her it was something that was shared between us and not a "it's mine I'll growl at you". For example, I eat a bite of steak, I handed her one, then hand her a few more, etc. I hand fed high value things for a little while. She understood if she was nice to me i'd give her more. Never had an issue ever again. I can pull anything out of her mouth or make her drop it.
|08-31-2013 06:54 PM|
A couple weeks after we got our pup, he growled at me as I approached his food dish.
After doing some research (lots of good advice from this board specifically), I did hand feeding for a couple weeks and then implemented NILIF as well. I don't bother him while he's eating, and also only approach his dish when offering high value treats. He actually gets excited when he sees me walk over to his dish now.
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|08-31-2013 06:33 PM|
|llombardo||I agree with the OP. I also do exercises with the dogs with food and toys. No growling or teeth showing allowed. Something about it has to work because I have 5 dogs that eat, drink water, and share toys with no problems. The key to the exercises are to make sure the dogs are praised for allowing it and that they know they are getting whatever it is back...they have to be able to share.|
|08-31-2013 05:39 PM|
I also believe messing with their food actually causes the aggression or at least aggravates it but not with all dogs of course. But I did this with my Golden thinking what you thought and he eventually ended up snapping at me once and getting stiff anytime I came near his food dish... And I did pretty much exactly what you did.
Now I've never messed with my other 3 dogs while they were eating and none of them have any issue with me being near their food and can eat with the other dogs around which my Golden cannot do either, he has to eat in his crate now.
So my view is just leave them be, let them eat and they won't have any reason to guard from you... If you have to mess with them then just ADD high value stuff into the bowl instead of grabbing it away from them. I also practice NILIF so they have to work for their food before they get it but I don't mess with them once they have earned it.
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