|09-07-2013 09:57 PM|
The EPI test came back "low," but technically not EPI. He has been gaining weight with the enzymes added to his food, so they do seem to be helping. I'm hoping that he can just stay on the enzymes -- they aren't expensive, and if he's low, it makes sense to continue to supplement.
Clearing out the massive worm and parasite load seems to have done a world of good for this dog too. The antibiotics also likely are helping. He's feeling great and seems to be on the mend. He's become a playful goof.
We've even had an offer come in to make a prosthetic foot for him. He seems to be under a lucky star lately. What a difference a few weeks makes!
|08-31-2013 03:07 PM|
They can get heavy bleeding from stress alone, moving can cause it. Worms can cause diarrhea and bleeding too. You may need a frequent deworming regimen to take care of the problem. The standard every three weeks might not work. I had a foster who was not gaining weight and there was no diagnosis. He finally responded after months of antibiotics.
|08-31-2013 02:34 PM|
|Heidigsd||That's great news|
|08-31-2013 12:12 PM|
Just wanted to update....
His poops are firming up, and he stopped bleeding out of the backside.
He has been on antibiotics (metro) for a few days now, and he's getting digestive enzymes (activated for 5-10 min) before eating. I think he's getting a probiotic too, as I gave his foster mom a supply of those from my stash too.
A local non-shelter vet ran an EPI test ($90), results due Monday (they can't do this test at the shelter). The dog is boarding at the same vet's clinic over the weekend while the foster mom is out of town, so they'll be able to keep an eye on him.
The shelter vet wants us to wait on the Tylan until we get the EPI tests back and see how he does on the metro, but she doesn't know much about either condition. I sent her all the links I got posted here (and by PM) and she's reading and thinking -- she's a very young vet who is bright, so she's all about learning. EPI and SIBO are not things commonly seen in shelter medicine, so it's likely a learning opportunity for her. She planning to change the meto RX from 2 weeks to 4 weeks based on the reading she did from the links.
There's a "counter-hypothesis" that's been floated that the blood could be due to his worm load. He was FULL of worms -- rounds, whips, and probably hooks too. They had just dewormed him with Panacur before all this started. Apparently when a worm detatches, there's a small bleeding wound left behind. Normally the most one would see is a small trace of blood in the stool after deworming. With a big enough worm load, there could be a lot of blood.
We can't do Kocci-free while he's on antibiotics. The label says it can't be used at the same time. Not sure about the other natural remedies suggested -- I'll take a look and see what I can find out about cross-reactivity. I will pass on the suggested supplements to his foster mom.
|08-28-2013 12:04 AM|
|Magwart||Thanks, all. I'm starting to wonder if maybe SIBO and not EPI, just based on what I'm reading. Maybe?|
|08-27-2013 10:32 PM|
"It's serious enough that the shelter vet isn't sure he's going to make it and has nothing more to offer him." Believe me.....I was there with my first GSD! She was a 90 pound dog, down to 50 pounds even though she was eating ravenous, about 10 cups of food per day! The food would go in one end and come out the other end 10 minutes later strewn with blood. Her black hair turned red, and it was falling out in patches! When she slept, she would ooze bright yellow bile from her rectum and wake up soaked in it! The conventional vets said she'd be dead before she reached 3 years old and I wasn't having any of that or anymore drugs they kept pushing! I went completely holistic using raw human grade foods, homeopathy, supplements, herbs, nosodes, chiropractic's and acupuncture, NEVER another vaccine.....and she lived until her 12th birthday gathering 12 titles in 4 styles of agility, tracking and obedience!
Below are all human grade "professional products" that saved my dogs life!
Hope this helps!
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Slippery Elm(Ulmus rubra) Bark...200 mg
NAG(N-Acetyl D-Glucosamine) (shrimp shells)...70 mg
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Vitamin B12 2 mcg 35%
Iron 5 mg 30%
Zinc 9 mg 60%
Selenium 6 mcg 8%
Copper 180 mcg 10%
Chromium 30 mcg 25%
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|08-27-2013 09:40 PM|
Seacure and bovine colostrum or a combo form called Seavive by proper nutrition
as well as L-Glutamine
L-Glutamine | B-Naturals.Com Newsletter
along with d-zymes, probiotics and slippery elm - I would stop the elm once things start to normalize as too long a course can block nutrient absorption
Also consider Kocci Free - many on here claim this has been way more effective then conventional drugs w/o the side effects - but have to follow to the letter...effective against coccidia and giardia as well, has other natural herbal benefits to health that conventional drugs just don't provide and no toxic chemical die-off except the natural die-off of microbes causing the issue, which, of course, is natural
|08-27-2013 09:25 PM|
I don't know if this is helpful but here is someone that has been dealing with bloody diarrhea on our EPI board, the dog was just recently diagnosed: Topic: Diagnosed yesterday but still bloody diarrhoea - at the vet - EPI * Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency
I am sure you know this but I didn't know that I had to make a "Slippery Elm Tea", here it is just in case: Slippery Elm for Better Pet Digestion
I hope he can recover...so sad!
|08-27-2013 09:15 PM|
first he is gorgeous!
Could he have ingested something? having a pancreatitis episode?
Hope they can figure out what's going on..
Masi had somewhat an episode like this a few months ago, ran every test under the sun, all coming back negative..after consulting with a specialist, we believe she ingested 'something' in the dirt (she's a dirt eater), slugged down some standing water that may have had bacteria or whatever in it..she was also vomiting, trying to vomit, and blood was pouring out of her butt Stabilized her, whatever it was, went from her GI thru her blood stream into her lungs, causing pockets of "black" something or other..after 3 weeks of various treatments, she turned around.
Vets believe because it was 'spring', all these "things" were coming to life in ground/water, so could have been from something she ate.
He's gorgeous I hope they can figure out or atleast get under control what he's got going on.
|08-27-2013 09:01 PM|
Foster Dog with Severe Undiagnosed GI Distress
I need some help on behalf of a friend who took in a sick all-black GSD foster dog. He's friendly, sweet, snuggly -- and we're very worried about him. He's not my foster, but is being fostered by a friend who cares a lot about him.
He came into the shelter 6 weeks ago emaciated. He almost immediately went into kenneled foster care with a professional trainer who has a facility. That guy saves a few of his boarding kennels for fostering shelter dogs. He fostered this dog over a month. During the month, the dog put on almost no weight. The trainer became worried that the dog seemed to be going downhill and returned him to the shelter so they could find a home-foster where the dog might do better.
As soon as the dog went into foster care, it was clear he was pretty sick. His GI system was in bad shape. He was full of multiple kinds of worms -- but negative for coccidia and negative for parvo. He does have some scaring in his lungs, and has routine kennel cough symptoms (runny nose, pretty typical). I believe he's also HW+.
The shelter vet gave him dewormer, and antibiotics. His appetite was fantastic, so we expected to see him starting to turn around soon.
Two days into home-fostering, last night, he started pooping blood -- not a little blood mixed in feces, but large amounts of liquid blood. It got to a point last night that he was pooping blood every 2-3 minutes. The shelter wouldn't pay for e-vet care (they have no money), so those of us who are the local GSD breed rescue team all chipped in to get him to the university vet school's 24 hour clinic.
They stabilized him with fluids and temporarily stopped the bloody diarrhea....but the over-night clinical crew couldn't figure out what was causing the problem. When the shelter vet got in this morning, he went back to her, and she's puzzled too.
He's had blood work, fecal stains, parvo snap tests, and abdominal x-rays to look for an obstruction...and nothing is showing up to explain the bloody poop -- which is still going on, though less than last night.
He's now back in his foster home, and we don't know much more than we knew before all this started last night. One hypothesis is EPI.
Any thoughts on what this could be? He's a young adult. His medical history before being picked up as a stray 6 weeks ago is unknown. He's missing a back foot, but that's neither here nor there.
My gut reaction is to get him on digestive enzymes, a probiotic between the antibiotics doses, and some slippery elm to coat the GI track with soothing stuff. He's on a pharmacy cocktail of prescribed antibiotics, dewormer, and who knows what else.
It's serious enough that the shelter vet isn't sure he's going to make it and has nothing more to offer him. Any ideas to help Ozzy?