|09-20-2013 02:55 PM|
I trained Nikkia to stop being a bully and strengthen her recall at the park with the E-Collar as well.
I don't take her to those little chain linked dog parks, those have always spelled trouble and I swear I see a fight or severe bullying every time I walk by one in my area. There is an enclosed nature dog park about 4 miles from us which has a trail, creek, and water area for the dogs it is also about a 1/2 mile long that I walk her and Kavik to. The owners that take their dogs there are generally much more responsible and I'd say over 50% have an e-collar on their dogs if they know their dog is prone to bullying or not coming back. I also like to take her up the canyon off leash, and there is even one trail that goes up to a "lake" (More like a very large non mucky pond) dedicated for dogs to play in.
Nikkia used to be a terrible bully she'd chase dogs much bigger than herself or run after certain dogs barking and would play dominantly. It was also the only place I found where I couldn't get a reliable recall out of her. Lets just say I only took her once and I ended up being super embarrassed. I didn't want to have to go hiking without her though. I talked to my trainer and she taught me how to use the E-collar. I was reluctant at first as I was an E-collar hater. Lets just say it took 2 visits to the park using it and now she is a reformed girl. She plays nice, she doesn't steal toys (and if she does she drops them when told and comes back to me), on the rare occasion that there is a scuffle instead of running towards it she either comes to me or stays in the creek an plays near me (I don't even have to ask her to come back from those anymore she just knows they're trouble and chooses to stay out of them on her own now), she also comes back to me if she is being bullied instead of confronting it and if the dog follows I shoo it away. She isn't in any way afraid of the park or afraid of playing with the other dogs but she respects my commands and the way us humans believe park etiquette should be. I am also a E-collar convert now and believe that it is a very useful tool for the right cases with proper humane application under the supervision/advice of a trainer who understands E-collar work.
I worked with her over a year ago now and don't even need to use the collar anymore when we are there and can leave it off completely. I waited to stop until she had gone at least 4-6 mos of regular attendance on the trails and at the park without needing a correction though.
Good luck with your training!
|09-18-2013 06:44 PM|
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|09-18-2013 06:28 PM|
|Blitzkrieg1||lol medievil torture device..Id rather take stim then a leash correction.. Ill bet money your inconsistently trained dogs dont provide you with consistent obedience off leash under distractions.|
|09-18-2013 05:40 PM|
|09-18-2013 02:41 PM|
|countryboy73703||I agree, and like I said earlier, I wasn't trying to stir up anything, I just have a certain way of doing things with her. for my GSD pup I'm sure I will do it different then I have with the last one, but the GSD will be smart, and will want to please me. My current dog is just a dog... she's smart, but she still likes to do her own thing.. I think it's a size issue, ha... she's only 35 pounds or so... but like I said, I will prob follow a tutorial with the GSD givin I've no experience training one.|
|09-18-2013 02:22 PM|
I used to have a prey drive issue with my dog once my dog reached 1. Since we both love to hike off leash, an ecollar was the best option for us, amongst other reasons. I followed the training protocols outlined by Michael Ellis, similar to Lou but not exactly the same, and it worked beautifully. I can stop her from starting a chase under voice command and she now knows she can't chase so I don't have to remind her every time. She'll just look and go on her merry way. If she forgets, I can tell her to get on her merry way. At home in the yard, she chases wild life critters and I allow it. Just to say, the dog can distinguish the difference when taught properly of exactly what you want it to do and not become a basket case. If I want it to stop chasing critters at home, I can teach her, but I do want her to guard my yard from those critters. If learned properly, the dog shouldn't change the compliance to what was taught much, if at all, when off the ecollar. I now use the ecollar to proof other things, not the chase anymore, she's got that down cold.
Hope you much success whichever route you take!
|09-18-2013 02:22 PM|
I understand what you are saying, how ever, the way i have her trained I don't feel that she should get stim because she to interested in something. To me, shocking because they dog didn't immediatly follow a command isn't right. I wouldn't immediatly spank my kid if they didn't learn to do what I said the first time I said it. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, and from what I've read above you seem to be the 'go-to' person on this subject. My use was a training collar to learn her limits on how far she can go and stuff, I don't use it when I teach simple commands such as sit. I only use if she's doing something to harm herself, or something identicle, or if she takes off after a cat or something other critter. She's listens for the most part.
|09-18-2013 01:34 PM|
|Chip Blasiole||TO the OP, you are not reinforcing the dog's refusal to follow a command by providing a shock, you are punishing the dog. Reinforcement increases the frequency of a behavior and punishment decreases the frequency of the behavior. Some might say the shock is negative reinforcement in that removal of the shock increases the behavior of compliance. But I would call it punishment because the disobedience comes first.|
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