|08-16-2013 01:57 PM|
|cliffson1||I have had countless years and experiences with many many dogs, and I will never trust two adult females once they have had one spat. Somebody may have an example of females being controllable once they have had a spat and are left unsupervised.....but it is WAY past my ability and experiences in dealing with dogs. Nope, two adult females is nothing to play with and I manage them almost always.....and all my dogs know who is boss.....lol|
|08-16-2013 12:59 PM|
Oh MadLab - how much experience have you had? You never answered my question about what you'd do if the dog bit you. It's all good until that happens, then you'd be singing a different tune. And I do agree with you to a point - you can bully a dog into submission - but don't tell me that in itself isn't stressful. It's so much easier to rely on some basic OB (place, sit, stay) an keep the warring dogs apart. There's no glaring, because they're never in eyeballing distance. Unless you're living in a tent, it's completely doable.
And not that I know selzer or Mrs.K in real life, but I do know what I've read on here. One a breeder, and another raised in a breeding home. So yeah, I'm thinking they know quite a bit about GSD bitches.
|08-16-2013 08:09 AM|
You quoted my comments on Mrs.K's pack structure rather than on the ops. To me quarreling dogs is not free and easy as was suggested. That's just my opinion. Tension and conflict does not equate to free and easy to me. They are just words but hey I prefer the free and easy as the dictionary intended.
If my bitches were trying to kill a senior, I'd break there balls. I don't care what the situation, no violence in my house between dogs. I make the rules and the pack structure.
|08-15-2013 06:46 PM|
MadLab, this situation does not NEED a permanent solution. It just doesn't. GSDs live an average of 10-12 years. This dog is 12.5 years old, has DM, and sometimes doesn't control its bowel. Why would anyone start a process to train these dogs to live together in perfect bliss? That could be considered cruel, and especially if there are accidents in the process.
Mrs. K and Pets4life, I agree totally with you on this.
If there is stress with one dog crated, then put a baby gate in the door way, so the other dog cannot get where the other dog's crate is. No stress.
Keep one dog in one half of the house and the other in the other half. No stress.
Fixing problems between resident dogs might make sense in a lot of situations, and if they cannot be fixed, then rehoming may be necessary in some situations, especially if there are children present. But in this situation, I just do not see it as making sense at all. Partly, because we do not know if this is a young dog taking over the pack thing, or a healthy dog being driven to remove an infirm dog. It is two different things.
And, bitches are sneaky, and they can be patient and watch for an opportunity and jump on it. I LOVE bitches, but this is just true. They are smart, they feel jealousy in a raw form that I don't think humans can truly fathom, they can be patient, but they also remember, and when they do strike it can be seriously violent.
|08-15-2013 02:16 PM|
|pets4life||I agree with most tho the older male can be alone just with the owner and live his life in peace for now. Without stress of being the other gsd's victim.|
|08-15-2013 08:01 AM|
|08-14-2013 10:47 PM|
|readaboutdogs||Agree with separation when you're not around. Our garage is built in, when I still had Cody and Clipper, they stayed in the house, Hooch, the pitbull I put in the garage. It is like another room of the house. Just to be sure nothing went on. After Cody died we did have a bit of "order of the pack" thing go on with Clipper and Hooch. Still kept the same arrangement while at work, and kept same pecking order of handing out treats, etc. Clipper first, then Hooch. Hooch was my sons dog I had taken in a couple of years ago or so.|
|08-14-2013 10:43 PM|
|BowWowMeow||Give it a rest, MadLab. It doesn't have to be, "My way or the highway." The OP will figure out what s/he can best manage.|
|08-14-2013 09:59 PM|
|Blanketback||MadLab, I don't understand why you think keeping dogs apart is stressful and difficult? I have 3 dogs here right now, 2 are DA. So I'm crating and rotating, keeping those 2 apart, and using a muzzle and/or leash for security. Simple as pie No stress, nothing.|
|08-14-2013 09:54 PM|
It is not a permanent solution but it is a solution where a novice handler doesnt have to deal with two fighting dogs.
I have a herniated disc right now, ergo I cannot be downstairs. If something is going on I cannot intervene. So my temp. Solution is to crate and rotate. So that takes the stress out from every dog because I am still controling the environment.
Crating is controling the environment, sso is the use of an x-pen, babygates or doors and there is nothing the dog can do about it. Leashing and tethering a dog to you is controlling just as much as crating is. You control how much access the dog gets how much it doesnt get.
Not too hard to understand.
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