|09-24-2013 07:52 PM|
That said, I did not find it a very intuitive or easy tool to use, probably because I had to learn almost entirely through videos online. The Tyler Muto videos are good, and I think Michael Ellis has some good ones too. I did not care for the Good Dog Minute videos. The trainer has great timing, but in some of his videos, he is using aversion on very stressed, frightened dogs which I thing is a bad idea.
The timing of corrections was the hardest part- I found I had to time the correction exactly after my dog was considering misbehaving but before she had time to follow through with the behavior. Short pops with little forced worked the best. This might not be the case with all dogs, but I found if I missed my window of opportunity, she would not respond to a mild correction and a harsh one would not refocus her- she would just cling to my leg and shut down. Obviously I stopped doing this. But we started making huge strides in her dog reactivity once she learned from the prong collar that heeling is a requirement, not an option. I paired this with positive reinforcement for good behavior. I think if you're dealing with a soft dog and with any issues related to anxiety/fear, you have to be careful not to over-correct and to work just as hard at reinforcing attentiveness and self-control. This is just how things have worked out for me as a novice GSD owner.
Good luck to you, OP!
|09-24-2013 06:05 PM|
|Sergeantsays||Just make sure the prong doesnt go over the flat collar. THere is a video on Youtube "TheGoodDogtraining" and it shows how you can put a clip on the dead ring of the prong to that it stays in place a few inches above the flat collar. And if the prong ever breaks open you still have a hold of the dog. I think its called prong training no. 1 and its informative. Sarge pulled me really hard once and I was on pea gravel and I was "water skiing" for like, 12 feet, Im sure it looked hysterical but I was scared. Prong collar the next day. Hope it helps.|
|09-24-2013 05:59 PM|
|09-24-2013 05:44 PM|
Prong collars are excellent training devices if used correctly. And much less damaging than flat or choke. First make sure its a HermSprenger. And fit correctly, under the ears. Immediate results. Watch some videos on youtube about fit and "pop" corrections. I saw a woman in the park wrestling with a GSD and the prong collar was OVER the flat collar - so the dog didnt feel anything. You will never hear a dog breathing like Darth Vader when wearing a prong, unlike any other collar.
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|09-22-2013 08:14 AM|
2 thumbs up for the Tyler Muto prong collar videos. Here's another good one.
|09-22-2013 02:52 AM|
I worked in a vet clinic for 12 years and not once did I see an injury related to a check chain......which is odd since that is all we can use over here.
|09-22-2013 02:35 AM|
Prongs aren't bad. I used to think they were. But I was also naively raising an unruly little Nikkia. After being told by multiple reliable resources including someone I knew doing Police K-9 work to use one I finally gave in. Lets just say she was transformed pretty quickly and it didn't hurt her personality or temperament at all. She still wears a big goofy smile on her face and knows that it won't "bite" her unless she decides for it too. Lets just say I've never looked back. She graduated back to a flat collar for a while but I've put her back on the prong since I've gotten Kavik (Kavik is on one as well) because we are reestablishing things within our pack.
The prong is a great tool as long as it is not abused. You should condition your dog to it as shown in the video so that your dog comes to a realization that his behavior has caused the correction. You also do not need to correct very hard at all with a prong and there should never be sustained pressure on the collar. All corrections should be a quick pop and that's it.
As was mentioned earlier choke chains can cause more damage than a properly fitted prong.
Head halti's can cause neck damage due to the awkward pulling motion of the head especially with dogs who like to flip around like little fishes to try and get out of them (That was Nikkia... poor girl I used all of these on her I should have started with the prong first. At least she doesn't show any residual effects from them).
Harnesses are great for tracking work and pulling things but that's just it. They encourage pulling. So that's why you generally see people who have harnesses on their dogs being dragged down the street.
All of these tools have a purpose and are great tools when used in the proper context. They have their place and should only be used to fulfill their purpose in training or working.
Nikkia was my first Shepherd and I admit at 13 I may have got her too young, and I didn't know ANYTHING about training a Shepherd. They are much different than the 5 Ib Papillons my mom bred. But over the years I've tried to keep an open mind and learned to use these tools in the proper context as well as educate myself on how to be a good handler to her. So my advice to everyone new to training a GSD or concerned about these tool is to keep an open mind, know your tools and never stop educating yourself.
|09-21-2013 10:57 AM|
Just watched the vids--fantastic, very helpful.
I don't have my GSD yet, first time GSD owner, hopefully soon. I am looking to adopt a 1 year old, so am researching to prepare (meeting him today with my Eskie to see how they get along, keeping fingers crossed)
Love these forums, very informative
|08-25-2013 01:09 AM|
No problem! I find it funny how its even banned in some countries, when traditional chokes are not and cause A LOT more damage. Yesterday, I dealt with a very frustrated owner of a dog, driven nuts by the pulling and disobedience. She wanted to get a choke, so I fit it on her dog. No matter how much the dog was corrected, it did NOT improve (these were very intense corrections too! Definitely future neck damage!) I suggested that she would use a prong, she thought they were cruel. I told just let me fit it on, and you will see.
she said ok.
And so I did. And she was AMAZED especially when I showed her the method in those videos. The puppy was MUCH happier, and so was the owner.
Inhumane? I definitely think not
I used to think this, you may even find some of my posts telling people not to use it! But I opened up my mind and started working with a variety of methods, and found them extremely humane and effective when done right.
|08-24-2013 11:41 AM|
Thanks for the vids MM. Like a lot of things, the prong collar gets a bad rap,
so many misconceptions about a great tool.
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