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01-24-2013 03:34 PM
Bear L E collar is what I use for piece of mind.

Nothing is bullet proof, even a leash can break or come undone.
01-24-2013 03:31 PM
JakodaCD OA I would fence or since your near a busy road I'd never allow them off atleast a long line.

Recalls are never 100 % with anydog as you unfortunately found out

I'd rather be safe than sorry with this pup..
01-24-2013 03:29 PM
RowdyDogs
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Originally Posted by k9carrie View Post
So sorry for your loss!
I have used "invisable fencing" with great results. It is an area "fenced" with a hotwire (electric) and the dog wears a collar with a reciever/electric combo. The packages come with training info which is important to follow!
Good luck!
I don't like invisible fences because I've seen too many dogs get caught up in a chase and run through the fence before they even register the shock and manage to stop. One time it was almost like a cartoon, the dog was running flat out, got shocked by the fence, tried to stop so suddenly he somersaulted over himself, but was still on the other side of the fence by the time he came to a complete stop. A harder dog might not stop at all. And once they're on the other side of the fence, they can't get back in because they get shocked every time, and it's unlikely that they're going to find another rabbit (or whatever) to chase back into the yard.

If there's an HOA covenant or something preventing a visible fence (a neighborhood with a rule like that is where I formed my negative opinion of invisible fences--seriously, never seen so many loose dogs wandering the streets wearing shock collars), then it could be a backup, but I wouldn't rely on it like I would a real fence. It would just be another measure to get the dog's attention in an emergency, not something to be trusted without supervision.

And for that, you might as well just get an e-collar--they're cheaper than fencing the yard with invisible fence, and you can always repeat the shock if the dog doesn't respond to the initial one. JMHO, of course.
01-24-2013 02:53 AM
SFGSSD If I yell "NO PLATZ!" my dogs hit the deck like yelling "incoming!" to a Marine I can do it from any distance but nothing is ever 100% when dealing with an animal. I agree with teaching a good down in motion and from a distance and send away. Whatever you choose as a safety net will help as long as it is just as reliable if not more than your original command.
Good Luck and let us know how things are going
01-23-2013 10:06 PM
k9carrie So sorry for your loss!
I have used "invisable fencing" with great results. It is an area "fenced" with a hotwire (electric) and the dog wears a collar with a reciever/electric combo. The packages come with training info which is important to follow!
Good luck!
01-23-2013 08:06 PM
doggiedad sorry about Diesel. what was Diesel chasing? depending on what Diesel
was chasing you might want to train and socialize around it. as part of your recall training you want to train/practice in all types of situations,
inside and outside. dogs think independly. with the best training and the
best dog from the best breeder things can happen. keep your dog leashed
untill you feel that the dog is ready to be off lead. teaching "stop"
is a usefull command.
01-23-2013 07:37 PM
RowdyDogs
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A solid "down" can be even more of a lifesaver than a recall. Imagine your dog runs across a road - a car is coming, if you call the dog it could get hit. But if you can instantly down the dog, it can stay in a safe area until you can retrieve it.

I've actually found that "down" is more effective than a recall (especially with my JRT's). I can instantly down them from any distance - and I practice that regularly - but they might blow off a recall. I didn't have to use an e-collar - I just practiced regularly and gradually increased the distance and level of distraction.
My search team actually trains an "emergency stop" just for this reason. If a dog is on a scent, you really don't want to call her off, and frankly she may or may not listen to you if you do, since you never call her off in training. However, you need to be able to stop her if she's running across a road with a car coming or something like that.

With this in mind, we train an emergency down for that exact reason. With my previous search dog, I'd accidentally trained it just with tone of voice...if I say "down" in my normal command tone, he'll lay down, but if I shout it in a harsh, mean voice, he'll immediately drop flat--even if he's chasing a herd of deer or a jackrabbit or another dog (done all 3 LOL). But I'd taught him that before I really thought about it. With Abi, my new prospect, I'll probably use an entirely different command for the emergency down.
01-23-2013 07:21 PM
phgsd A solid "down" can be even more of a lifesaver than a recall. Imagine your dog runs across a road - a car is coming, if you call the dog it could get hit. But if you can instantly down the dog, it can stay in a safe area until you can retrieve it.

I've actually found that "down" is more effective than a recall (especially with my JRT's). I can instantly down them from any distance - and I practice that regularly - but they might blow off a recall. I didn't have to use an e-collar - I just practiced regularly and gradually increased the distance and level of distraction.
01-23-2013 05:28 PM
Gretchen Each dog is unique. Our previous dog seldom needed a leash nor ran far from us. I really did not need to teach her recall. With our current dog, "recall" is her worst command. What really works with her is "down". A great down command has worked wonderfully for us. A very curious dog may need to learn, "leave it" as it's priority. Hopefully you can feel out your pup's personality to see which command you feel is most important. But of course teach your dog all commands!
01-23-2013 04:56 PM
mandiah89 I never thought about using an E-Collar; I will speak to my vet and see if she can recommend a trainer who is familiar with this tool and get some classes on how to use it! I will only ever use it in the event that I need too; Ive seen people who trainer regularly with it but have never needed it because my training methods have always worked (save for the one time )
Thanks!

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Originally Posted by SFGSSD View Post
Sorry for your loss. It does not get any easier no matter how many dogs I know, trained and loved have passed. It is always that same awful feeling of losing your best friend.
As for your concerns about that "One time" the dog does not listen and the feeling that you need a safety net "Just in case" I would recommend an e-collar. I would not change the way you train if you are having success with your methods. Adding an e-collar as a "Safety net" might not be a bad idea if you are concerned about that one time and history possibly repeating itself.
If you do decide to go that route, I advise that you take an e-collar class from a professional trainer to be instructed on the proper use of the device if you are unfamiliar with the proper use of the equipment.
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