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01-18-2013 05:51 PM
GatorBytes Canine Allergies and Your Dog's Health - Whole Dog Journal Article

This article touches on malasezzia

There is a suppliment that uses a combination of seacure (noted in article above) and colostrum called SeaVive

Proper Nutrition: SeaVive® - Comprehensive Immune Support
01-18-2013 04:34 PM
sunsets Thank you everyone for your replies.

I completely agree that this poor dog was suffering from untreated thyroid issues when I found him, and since we estimate his age at around 5 I assume that the loss of thyroid function is due to autoimmunity rather than age (I guess we'd need a biopsy to know for sure). In which case that gland is toast, and we'll need to supplement. Just need to get the right dose - it's too high now (got results today) so we'll move it down and check again in a few weeks when the steroids are all gone.

In regards to diet/cleansing/yeast elimination, I appreciate the suggestions, but I can't find any evidence that a detox is going to work. I realize people have tried this, and had success, but the scientist in me can't justify it without some precedent in published peer-reviewed literature. Plus a Candida detox might not be as useful against Malassezia yeast? I was under the impression that oily blackened skin is usually due to M. pachydermis, though candida species have also been cultured from the skin of dogs. And since Malassezia are lipid-eaters, I don't think eliminating sugar will help much there.

I wasn't aware of colostrum as an anti-inflammatory, and maybe a big dose of Proline-rich-peptides (not "praline-rich peptides", as written in the linked article, though those do sound yummy ) might be immuno-regulatory. Interestingly, that compound is now in Phase II trial for Alzheimer's treatment, but I digress....

I think we're in for a long battle with immune hyper-reactivity in this guy. Hopefully we can figure out what's triggering his itchy episodes and head it off in the future. It doesn't help that we live in Houston - no true seasons, allergens everywhere, and humid!
01-18-2013 11:56 AM
TANDB It'd be great if it was just the low thyroid causing his problems, easy fix and easy to manage. However, you should be aware of euthyroid sick syndrome as well so you can arm yourself with all the knowlege you can, just in case.
01-18-2013 09:55 AM
GatorBytes
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I knew there was something about Black Walnut but couldn't remember.

NOW Candida Clear - Pau D'Arco, Oregano Oil, Black Walnut, Caprylic Acid.
Pau D'Arco, blood purifier, fights bacteria (which feed off the yeast) and viral infections - helpful for allergy symptoms, cancer, IBD (this is a bereberine herb - natural antibiotic, along with goldenseal, bayberry) Good for candida yeasts.

Nettle is considered as an anti-histamine herb (if you want to take off steroids)
01-18-2013 09:47 AM
Jax08 And yes, the detox may make him feel bad for a couple of days. The first time I ever did one, it felt like I had the flu. You can give him less herbs the first couple of days to slow the kill off of the yeast.
01-18-2013 09:43 AM
Jax08 I knew there was something about Black Walnut but couldn't remember.

NOW Candida Clear - Pau D'Arco, Oregano Oil, Black Walnut, Caprylic Acid.
01-18-2013 09:36 AM
GatorBytes
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You do need to take out the sugars from his diet to help treat yeast. You could treat for a Candida yeast overgrowth. It certainly will not hurt him or interfere with any other treatments.

I know the above articles talk about pharmaceuticals but I personally use the NOW brand Candida detox for me, which are all herbs and that works. Along with a yeast detox, you will need to add probiotics to help repopulate his system.

Gatorbytes - the NOW brand has black walnut in it. It that an issue with dogs?
Black walnut is fine and is used to cleanse some parasites (usually in conjuction with other herbs) and fungal infections. I have used in past (via Vet), and in a pre-mix through Omega Alpha

OP ~ Another item to add to the diet is raw organic cold pressed coconut oil (has to meet that criteria)...the caprylic acid in CO is the yeast buster. Which may be in the yeast kit. Although wouldn't do both if you were to go that direction, but use CO as maintenance after and for many other reasons

The CO can be used to swab the ears to clean out gunk and kill yeast and bacteria and sooth as well as topically on the black/red area's for the same reason.

Further, steroids are immuno suppressing, this will have a rebound effect once off the meds and you will likely see a return and even worsening of symptoms....detox while coming off steroids may be very hard on the system especially with the immune system weak, so start slow via removing sugars first and allow the body to adjust for few weeks, then you can introduce detox...don't expect immediate results with any treatment, natural or other, there is no perfect instant cure. Yeast die-off produces over 39 toxins, so expect to see lethargy, skin eruptions, mucousy eyes - this is refered to as healing crisis (herx.)...holistically this is viewed as disease leaving the body...
01-18-2013 08:49 AM
Jax08 In my experience, many of your skin issues will go away once the thyroid is under control. The bi-lateral hair loss and black, greasy skin are classic thyroid symptoms. You can look at his nose and the black pads on the back of his legs and see if they look like they rough, callous looking, growths. That is also from the thyroid not being properly treated.

You state " I increased his thyroid med dose again and it seemed to stop the hair loss,", did YOU increase it by yourself or did the vet increase it based on bloodwork results? Please do not ever just increase it by yourself. If you suspect a problem take them to the vet. And if you didn't, I apologize for the assumption.

I think it's possible that his skin was compromised from an untreated thyroid, obviously long before you got him and now it's infected with a yeast or bacteria.

You do need to take out the sugars from his diet to help treat yeast. You could treat for a Candida yeast overgrowth. It certainly will not hurt him or interfere with any other treatments.

Dog Yeast Infections (Dog Candida) | Causes and Symptoms of Dog Candida | Natural Rinse for Yeasty Dogs
Candida Infection - How to Diagnose, Treat and Prevent
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I know the above articles talk about pharmaceuticals but I personally use the NOW brand Candida detox for me, which are all herbs and that works. Along with a yeast detox, you will need to add probiotics to help repopulate his system.

Gatorbytes - the NOW brand has black walnut in it. It that an issue with dogs?

And do NOT...under any circumstances stop treating the thyroid. My husband did this to his dog because he "forgot" and I didn't know until she started losing hair again.
01-17-2013 08:50 PM
TANDB It very well could be that his thyroid is low because of whatever is going on with his health, not the thyroid causing the problems. What antibiotic did the vet prescribe?
01-17-2013 08:22 PM
GatorBytes The Desiccated Thyroid Controversy: Why Endocrinologists Don't Like Armour Thyroid

here's more on the natural form
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