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01-04-2013 06:35 PM
LoveEcho Sounds like you guys are on the right track I know many, many GSD owners who have cats and dogs peacefully coexisting... and many, many more who have cats and dogs that are deeply bonded. You never know, they might end up being great friends!
01-04-2013 03:38 PM
kiya I have 3 dogs & 2 cats in a very small house. Sometimes it takes longer than we would like for everyone to coexist, but have patience and it will happen. Good luck.
01-04-2013 03:38 PM
Carriesue
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You're welcome! And yes, that shelter is pretty bad. They use a gas chamber instead of shots because they said it was cheaper. One of the workers who had their elderly dog put down paid extra for the shot, but the average dog gets gas. This shelter made national news last year because a dog actually survived the gas chamber. A worker came back to get the body after the timer went off and the dog was still alive, but barely. Rather than put it back in, the worker took it to the vet and it was adopted after the story made the news. During the summer last year, they had days when 50+ dogs and cats were brought in after the shelter was at full capacity and had to be put down or ones in the shelter put down to make room.
I have seen the process of the gas chamber it is absolutely horrific and something that will be burned in my mind for the rest of my life. At least that one pup was saved, did you here about that shelter just burning dogs alive who survived it? Just makes me sick to my stomach. It's illegal here but instead they can sell pets to laboratories, not sure that's a real gain.
01-04-2013 03:33 PM
chemlabrat You're welcome! And yes, that shelter is pretty bad. They use a gas chamber instead of shots because they said it was cheaper. One of the workers who had their elderly dog put down paid extra for the shot, but the average dog gets gas. This shelter made national news last year because a dog actually survived the gas chamber. A worker came back to get the body after the timer went off and the dog was still alive, but barely. Rather than put it back in, the worker took it to the vet and it was adopted after the story made the news. During the summer last year, they had days when 50+ dogs and cats were brought in after the shelter was at full capacity and had to be put down or ones in the shelter put down to make room.

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Omg a gas chamber, that is a horrific death... I forgot to say this before but bless you for saving her!
01-04-2013 03:28 PM
Carriesue Omg a gas chamber, that is a horrific death... I forgot to say this before but bless you for saving her!
01-04-2013 03:28 PM
Liesje Thanks for trying, let us know how it goes. I think a lot of folks here have experience introducing dogs to cats.
01-04-2013 03:25 PM
chemlabrat Thanks everyone for all of your constructive comments. We brought her in when we got home yesterday with the cats in the bathroom and plan to make a slow introduction. She did really well being inside with us for the afternoon, but was again pacing this morning when I left to go to work. I know it will take time and more socialization. But I am taking your advice.

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you say you know about dog care but you allow your dog
to wonder a 1/2 mile away, umm. you know about dog care
but you don't have time to train and socialize, umm.
I realize this sounds bad at the surface, but I think it was the best we could do at the time. We took her in unprepared to contain and care for, but only did so because we didn't want to see a young GSD put down by the shelter. That shelter is what I would call a medium kill shelter. They were full at the time, and strays get a 2 week stay there before being put down and owner surrenders (like this GSD) are walked from the front door to the gas chamber according to the workers there. We are on a limited budget and the first extra $300 we had went toward a containment system. The next $300 we saved up went toward a heated/insulated large house for her. So I really do feel like despite being able to give her ideal care, she was better off with us than without us.
01-04-2013 03:24 PM
wolfy dog
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You fix it by either spending time with her, keeping her inside (she still needs training at this point), or rehoming her. These are not dogs to be left to their own devices all day, every day, with no interaction or socialization. The only way keeping them outdoors works is to spend a LOT of time with them...much more than 30-60 mins a day.

There is no quick fix for boredom/anxiety/OCD-potential behaviors such as pacing other than stimulate the dog.

A working breed such as this means that a bored dog is an anxious dog...and an anxious dog is probably going to develop a whole host of other problems. I'm sort of baffled by leaving her outdoors unattended in the first place and then wondering why she'd "leave when you left"? Is she not contained in any way to begin with? This isn't safe for the dog, for a variety of reasons...not just traffic. Also, if she's so anxious... she's a huge liability. At the very, very least, contain her in a meaningful way... the more bored she gets, the more "insistent" she'll become.

If you get home after dark, install lights outside so that you can train/play/etc after dark. Bring her inside to train/play/etc. Bring her inside in general.

Adding another dog to the mix is not going to solve the problem, rather leave you with TWO bored, anxious, understimulated dogs who now see each other as a pack where you have no place.

Good luck. I don't mean to be harsh, it just sounds like for the sanity of both the dog and YOU, you seriously need to re-evaluate whether or not you guys can provide the right home environment. It's never a good feeling feeling like you're not doing right by your dog.
Agree 100%. Look at it from her point of view. She is a lonely, bored out of her mind (OCD) dog. You rescued her, then I would find her a permanent home where she can thrive and you don't have to worry about her anymore.
01-04-2013 02:36 PM
Lilie
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We still spend between 30 min to an hour each day in our garage or outside working on training her.
I understand that not all dog owners can keep their dogs inside. But your GSD requires a lot more time with you then 30 min to an hour each day. She will continue to act out and even become destructive. That has no reflection on your ability to raise a dog. It's a simple fact.

Also, even though she has a lot of room to roam, that doesn't count as exercise for your dog. She has to have a lot more exercise both physical and mental.
01-04-2013 12:55 PM
Mary Beth Well ,as you're finding out, GSDs don't make good yard dogs. They do want to be with their people. They also are "high maintenance" in that they require a lot of time in training, exercise, attention from their people. If you are serious about keeping her, I do have a couple of suggestions. She should be inside with you when you are home. As was suggested you can use a gate to confine her because of the cats. You can also put her on her leash and hook it to your belt so she follows you around. She can practice her down/stay while you eat and when you are sitting. Since you are gone for all day and she is outside, if you can, fence in your yard that will prevent the other dogs from stealing her food and coming into her territory. Also provide some type of interactive toys (kongs, and so on). She will still need to be exercised before you leave for work and when you return. A good walk (at least a mile) and also interact with her if she likes to play fetch or chase after balls. See if you can hire a dog walker to come and walk her at noon and give her attention. With increased exercise and playtime, attention from you and being indoors with you, she should calm down and the pacing will gradually cease. If you have classes in your area, you may want to sign up for that.
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