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01-04-2013 03:47 PM
Freestep
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Originally Posted by sjackson310 View Post
Yes, they are hip, elbow, DM and all that checked.
I'd really prefer not to post a pedigree on here. No offense, I have seen how some people rip apart breeders (on here and in person). I've learned not to talk about the breeder outside of general terms.
I've done some research of her past puppies and that's where I found out about their work histories etc. I have found a couple people on this site own her dogs. Everyone I have found LOVE her puppies and many people rebuy from her.

I'm sorry for being so vague, as i know it doesn't help.
Would you mind sending me a PM with the info? I am always interested to see which bloodlines, which dogs are consistently producing certain traits like calmness, and how it balances with energy and drive.
01-04-2013 02:41 PM
sjackson310 Yes, they are hip, elbow, DM and all that checked.
I'd really prefer not to post a pedigree on here. No offense, I have seen how some people rip apart breeders (on here and in person). I've learned not to talk about the breeder outside of general terms.
I've done some research of her past puppies and that's where I found out about their work histories etc. I have found a couple people on this site own her dogs. Everyone I have found LOVE her puppies and many people rebuy from her.

I'm sorry for being so vague, as i know it doesn't help.
01-04-2013 12:08 PM
martemchik Where are you located that the closest breeder that meets your needs is 19 hours away? It's really not like you're looking for anything "special," certain lines, certain work ability, and I don't think you should have to look 19 hours away to find a reputable breeder that can provide you with that.

The problem with her evaluating her dogs and saying they have calm demeanor, without testing them, is that many dogs have a calm demeanor around the home, or around the places they know. The reason we trial/show dogs is to test them in areas where things are new, things are loud, things are stressful.

My dog doesn't come from the best of breeders, not someone that works or trials their dogs. I got super lucky, he has amazing drive and is very well balanced. I didn't think I'd get into trialing/obedience training, but I did and now two years later we're trying to get as many titles as we can. This next time around (hopefully a few months from now) I'm going to a breeder that works her dogs, has proven her dogs, and someone where I know I'll have a better chance of having a dog more like the one I currently have.
01-04-2013 11:51 AM
Freestep
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Well, I'd like a dog with a good food drive. The breeder is not a BYB (my first shepherd when I was naive was) but it's moreso a calmer GSD. She has had puppies FROM these dogs who have went on and done agility, SAR, and tracking, but she herself has not done this with her dogs as she promotes them as calm demeanor dogs. But apparently the ability is there. As of right now, I'd be happy with therapy work, and just working on obedience. Maybe in about 10 years I will be doing Sch. or the like, but not yet.
Who is the breeder, do they have a website and pedigrees for viewing?
01-04-2013 11:28 AM
ladylaw203 Pedigree would help and do both parents have hip evaluations and have the parents been trained themselves in some working field. If not, why not. Only by training a dog can we properly evaluate drive and temperament:-)
01-04-2013 10:25 AM
carmspack as Lisa suggested post a pedigree
01-04-2013 04:50 AM
sjackson310 Okay then I will keep it at that Thank you everyone!
01-04-2013 01:04 AM
jocoyn I think the answer has been pretty consistent that you can bring a dog up to its genetic potential but cannot exceed it. Nature + Nurture.

If you are looking for a puppy who will excel in a certain discipline, your best bet is to find an experienced breeder whose own dogs excel in that discipline, and one who has the ability to select a puppy meeting your needs.
01-04-2013 12:39 AM
sjackson310 Okay now y'all are confusing me LOL!
I cannot see these puppies because they are a 19 hour drive away, one way. The breeder said she has one that she thinks will fit my needs well, but I've never given someone the responsibility to pick a puppy for me so it's kind of frightening.
It's one of some choices I have been looking at, but this whole thing just raised a lot of questions for me. And made me make up some questions as well :P

So what exactly are you guys talking about, making a dog a certain way or not being able to make it a certain way?
01-03-2013 11:37 PM
jocoyn
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i'm thinking the OP is getting caught up in terminology.
it's easy to say "not every pup can be trained for what
you want to do". what percentage of pups can be trained
for what you need them to do?
I guess it depends on if your pup is a pet or expected to be a working dog.
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